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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 76
Post ID: 29496
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Exploring Content vs. Deconstructing Music?
Hmmm... There have been quite a few posts at GSC regarding the "It" in Music, and how It might be received and recognized by the listener. As I recall, there was agreement that one might enjoy Music presented in any number of ways, including "low-fi". OK. While I accept this on the face of it, I also understand what Robin said about musicians (and, I assume, conductors and audiences) "getting" the Music in the first place. I opined in an older post that I would not want a system that could not deliver intent and, broadly speaking, Musical Content. And I know from experience that it is possible to get the hi-fi parts without getting the important Musical parts. Don't know what I would do without the Music or the performance part of the Music. This is indeed a New Approach...

Paul S
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 77
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The psyche evolution...
 N-set wrote:

You have reached some very interesting point, milord. Subtraction rather than addition is what mystics of various traditions kept repeating throughout the centuries. I presume most here are familiar with Huxley's "Perennial philosophy", which is a great organizing principle of those various traditions. I'm wondering if you reached that point by an intellectual work or through numerous enough "those moments"? I remember you describing "those moments" very well, where you feel expanding beyond your own borders and re-evaluating your relationship with the Universe. 
BTW, Bach does not give me those moments. Throw stones on me, but too intellectual for me. And since my work is 100% intellectual probably I need a different "take off platform". Haendel, Vivaldi can. Or, since we are there too, reading great minds on quantum mechanics. I recommend the last of them - David Bohm. You might like his differences of similarities and similarities of differences. 
I am very glad that you picked on the “Subtraction” concept. It is very not accidentally here, and you are very right: the linage of subtraction is well trained with starting from Zen Buddhism and over the thinking of the more interesting to me philosophers, not to mention the contemporary quantum theories. Yes, the relationship with the Universe, the relationship with own consciousness and relation of a person’s consciousness   with collective consciousness. All of it and much more has been encoded in that music. The key is to stop perceive it as “music”, no matter how convincing and comfortable it is but rather look at some of Back’s works as a humanity exercise… I never described at my site “those moments” and I do not think that the value of the moments could be understood from listening music. I think the understanding of the “value” has no definition in music or audio. They are the general properties of a person’s psyche and Music, not to mention audio, are just sonic evidence of a psyche existence. Now, can the music/audio provide loop back to psyche? Yes, it can, can it provide very specific and very structured feedback. Yes, it very much can. This is what I call “shamanic ceremony” when some aspects of psyche and sound in the room are enforced to assure more prolific psyche evolution.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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The First Man vs. Elevator Music
IMO, it is to Camus' eternal credit that he saw through Stalin, and I like to think his "standards" excluded the purely banal along with "too personal" Music. Romy, if all this means you have found a way to enjoy Bach at work, good for you.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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It is like going to forest to collect mushrooms or berries. You collect only what you know, you do not collect what you do not know.
I am not sure where the supposed connection between Camus and Stalin is being inferred. Camus’s ideas of communism bears no meaningful relation to what was historically constructed in USSR, either ideologically or psychologically. This is a great example how a noun Communism has completely different definition for Camus, me, a brainwashed Western observer, Soviet operatives or some other entities. 

I do not listen to Bach while working. I might on occasion, but it would involve different works and serve an entirely different intentional function.

You see, the nouns Listening, Bach or Audio denote more than objects or activities; they imply distinct modes of engagement, each mapped onto different—and often deep—structures of the human psyche. Without knowing narrative of this mapping the meanings might become ambiguous or irrelevant.

The same semantic multiplicity applies to the word gun, for instance. It may refer to a physical weapon, a political symbol, an engineering achievement, a metaphorical construct, or a psychological archetype, among other possibilities. The meaning is not inherent in the noun itself but emerges from the narrative framework within which it is situated.

To understand any noun properly, it must be interpreted within the context of the given narrative and its associated intentional stance. I operate within a personal narrative of “audio” that is distinctly different from conventional conceptions. As a result, It is possible that the rules governing my engagement with audio may not coincide with those that apply to audio in context or the socially standardized forms. 


Ironically, the last sentence is the most complex. are the rules of my audio version equivalent to those of conventional audio, or are they categorically different? I have many hypotheses, but no conclusion that I would yet regard as theoretically stable. I am also entirely comfortable with the absence of a definitive answer to this question.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Post #: 80
Post ID: 29513
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Word Soup and Truffles
Great answer, Romy, at least for me. I still like Camus the more for excluding Stalin (the person), even at the expense of Sartre, and of course I do not conflate Communism with... whatever. I like the way you are working with language here, like a young Peirce. Dialog may still be possible, to judge by that post.

Paul S
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