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Paul, there is a number of inaccuracies in your post.
[quote user="Paul S"]Lots has been written already about tube replacement, but I want to mention my recent experience when replacing the 6C33C output tubes (V2). I had the previous tubes in...
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One more thing that I would like to point out in context of the recent Marc Mickelson’s review. Marc wrote:
“The Atma-Sphere amps are certainly more powerful than the ML3 Signatures, but not noticeably so unless you clip the Lamm amps. “
Here is wh...
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This subject of comparing the quality of ML2 and ML3 sound is very interesting and I do not think that it will be ever observed in public. I hoverer do have interest to learns about comparative capacity between properly sounding ML2.0 and ML3. The M...
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[quote user="Romy the Cat"]Got today a party of the 6C18C from 1960s, an interesting tube. The plate looks like 1/4 times larger and has no bridge between the halves. The 6C18C has even less plate impedance than 6C33C and it appears that it futures i...
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[quote user="morricab"] The one thing that the Lamm ML2 does differently than nearly all tube amps is regulation of the output stage. They do this with the 2nd 6C33C that is on the chassis. Even the KR amps don't do this and I think it is...
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After a few years I have again pair of Lamm ML2 in my room and I decide to take advantage and render my experience with this amp into a format of my today’s understanding. I know ML2 quiet we and used it with a number of loads. Over the time I develo...
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Regarding L1 and L2 outputs and bi-amping:
Romy wrote:"...The unfortunate part is that if you still intend to run a dedicated cable to your let say LF section and if you use Lamm preamp then you can’t... his preamps (L1 and L2, I do not know h...
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[quote user="KOTriode"] On dynamic, the 6C33C tube showed its ability to go deep in the bass on Ray Brown trio recording of Soular Energy which is excellent for a 15W SE , the 845 amp can do better, but not by much, but probably because of its 25W ou...
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[quote user="AnonymousUser"] the patricians shake the rafters with 18 watts but I am still trying to improve their sound…[/quote]
Hm, shaking rafters is not good sign at all and it is said very little about the subject I was taking about. Ther...
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[quote user="Paul S"]Aparently, a few people complained back to Ken Chait that his "carefully-matched" (with an adaptor on his Amplitrex AT-1000 machine, i presume) pairs either weren't matched to begin with, or they did not stay matched. Anyway...
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I see now. Quad can’t be driven by single 6C33C. This is well know fact and I did a lot of experiments with Quads and Lamm ML-2.0. For whatever reason as ML-2.0 drives Quads it produces Stingy Sound. I can’t explain it but it is not the sound that ML...
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Potentiometers:
Paul S wrote:"...I could not get the current below 390 mA, even though the pots still turn freely
... How good are these pots? Do they actually have "stops", where they won't turn any further? Again, I ask because it...
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[quote user="KOTriode"]Romy, in the contrary, it is very unfair to compare my 845 amp with the 6C33C. The main reason is the 845 amp used the best output/interstage transformer available, while the 6C33C's output xformer is pretty good but far from b...
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Sine I informed public about Melquiades amplifiers I receive many emails from people asking me about the operation points of 6C33C. For whatever reasons people mistakably took me for some kind of 6C33C guru, which is am not. Moreover I could be hardl...
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Laurent,
The V2 in 6C33C does NOT need to be matched by other characteristic then gain and it is very easy to do. If you have two V2 tubes and they have different entry points for bias but the same gains then you will not detect any sonic cons...
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Actually I was wondering what the hell you were talking about what you were bitching that the ML2 socket can not handle 6N6P first. Ether you changed over 10.000 tubes in there or something else was wrong because the ML2 sockets are fine (except the ...
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[quote user="Paul S"] After a few minutes, I checked the amps with a (Fluke 189) DMM, just for drill. Voltage was set down to 175, but current was about 450 mA. Dialing down the pots, I could not get the current below 390 mA, even t...
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[quote user="Wojtek"]" The only concern being that ML2 is a feedback amp and Mel not. [/quote] And it is exactly why Lamm is able to drive more or less successfully those sub 90dB loads but Melquiades is not. The SETs with no-feedback are VERY sensit...
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[quote user="Romy the Cat"]
Reading at my site Paul’s narrative about his fight with ML2’s tube and the ML2’s tube sockets I need to confess that I always was suspecting that he is some kind of odd wacko with bizarre and sick approach to the subject...
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[quote user="jessie.dazzle"]A possibly dumb question here: When you and Paul give figures in milliamperes, where are you measuring the current (at what points), or are you extrapolating the figure? [/quote] The 6C33C current is measured in mA. The wa...
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I have noticed the same kind of control and "density" of sound from KR audio amps, which are zero feedback. Have you tried this brand of amp? The one thing that I can tell conclusively about the two different amps is that neither one suff...
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Thanks, floobydust.
There are a lot of interesting points in you post to consider. What speaker you drive with your 2A3? If they are relatively high sensitively (like compression drivers) then did you consider going with a single stage? I think I ha...
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[quote user="Paul S"] I think that bit of marketing hype must derive from Lamm's ML2 (& 2.1?) "Operating Manual", which says: [the ML2] "Maximum Output Voltage" "with continuous sine waves, at 1kHz @ rated line voltage" [is] "(blah, blah, blah), ...
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The strangest (and most disappointing) thing I noticed is that this "review" is so threadbare that it pretty much boils down to a "testimonial". Could he have taken an easier path? Surely, along with calling the 2.2 "a worthy successor to the 2.0 a...
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Lamm has been talking about his GM70-based amp for many years, buttering the subscribing to his speeches public. I do not know what the status in there but I would not expect anything relatively interesting. There are many objective reasons why I do ...
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Well, I never seen it happens but who know – that might be if some use “violence” on tubes. The sad part is that to replace these sockets is difficult. I have replaced in ML2 the 6C33C sockets in ML2 - it was easy but the 5651 are PC board-mounted an...
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Somewhere in 1997-88 I bought a hundred 6C33C. I believe during those years the where more expensive then now and I paid around $7-8 per tube. Over the years burning the 6C33C in pair of VK-60 (8 tubes), two pair of Lamm ML2 (ML2), ML2 with Melquiade...
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Morricab,
I do not know the “truth” and what I said are pure my speculations based upon what I hear and what I measure.
Yes, Lamm drivers at 310mA quite hard but do not forget that his objectives, besides everything, were to get out of his SET max ...
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[quote user="Paul S"]So, does anyone know anything about "good" sockets for the ML-2s? I forget when and where I saw some sort of boutique Teflon jobbies that are pretty darned expensive. Maybe DIY Hi-Fi, in Hong Kong? Also, although Teflon is a ...
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[quote user="Paul S"]I got new 6C33Cs for V2s from Lamm because no one else wants to match them, let alone match them for gain…[/quote]
There is no meaningful mutual conductance or bias matching for 6C33Cs (in context of ML2) besides gain matching, ...
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