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07-13-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 26
Post ID: 28298
Reply to: 28297
What I have heard
My own limited experience with the house-sized solar and batteries is that the biggest improvements came from dedicated, "home run" audio circuits with a good bleeder ground for the front end. Mark's old solar system sounded best to me when the mains power was good. I run my own DAC from a dry cell motorcycle battery, bleed off any stray current. It is 12V, as Romy mentioned. That "works".

Paul S
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,381
Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 27
Post ID: 28299
Reply to: 28297
Who knows?.

Bill, I do not think that what you describing is contribution of solar power. The actionable factors in your playback is new regenerator and new battery. They might be good and bad but you also need to take under consideration the following. The Purepower regenerators that you use most likely at this point not functioning properly as its own battery are gone. As acidic battery is getting old their impedance increased and they stop filter AC. So, your generator, unless you changed after 5 years, the batteries is substantially compromised. Very much like mine. If it shut down power, it's not capable to maintain charge even for 1 second. It means the battery is garbage in my unit. 

I've sent me intentional response to fix it because I do not want to buy those 8 ampere batteries but I would like to buy bank of automobile batteries. My playback now is not 16 KW and many tubes, by mostly solid state and low voltage 12x7, so I perfectly fine can run it from battery for a long time. 

The remaining question is the Media of regeneration. The contemporary regenerator supposed to be better than 25 years ago... Hypothetically. Alsa, contemporary batteries are order of magnitude better than old solid battles.  Maybe it Worth to review the performance of PP and try to find contemporary alternative product. Or it might make sense to retrofit PP with new big battery. One way or another I would not use PP and your new regenerator together as those digital converters have a very ugly ways to talk to each other and typically more than one regenerations in run installation never sound properly. 

But, again, it is freaking electricity. Nobody knows anything.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 28
Post ID: 28300
Reply to: 28298
Same-Phased
Just wanted to add, Mark's dedicated home-run hi-fi circuits (hot, neutral and ground) were all the same phase (120V). Thinking at first this stuff should be in the Electricity thread, but it already is, several posts on this there, for anyone who's interested.

Paul S
07-14-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
anthony
Posts 358
Joined on 08-18-2014

Post #: 29
Post ID: 28304
Reply to: 28299
Almost certainly
 Romy the Cat wrote:

Bill, I do not think that what you describing is contribution of solar power. The actionable factors in your playback is new regenerator and new battery.


For sure it is the inverter and battery contributing to the sound, and the solar generation  taking a little away...at least in my experience.  Here, the best sound is still at night when running only from battery power, but in full sun is also pretty decent (we have lots of cloudless days here!).  A slight hardness comes to the sound on overcast days where (I assume) the microinverters on the solar panels are having a harder time generating full solar output.
07-15-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Bill
Kensington, NH
Posts 135
Joined on 03-15-2010

Post #: 30
Post ID: 28308
Reply to: 28299
I agree
I agree that it's not the solar itself doing the improvements but the combination of the solar-battery-inverters that are doing it. Being able to completely remove the system from the line's anomalies is the trick. Also you are right in that they are new inverters plus a much larger battery supply that allows instantaneous power to the system.My purepower batteries are the lithium iron phosphate variety and they tested good a few months ago. But tonight I,ll remove the line to see how long they last in the system, and then remove the purepower from the chain and see what happens. Hope you are right as that would mean ven cleaner sound. Will let all know bill
07-16-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 31
Post ID: 28309
Reply to: 28308
Right again
As usual Romy was right again. Disconnected purepower from ac and within a few seconds the unit went dead. Then plugged system directly into house which at the time was running on battery only at 8:30 pm. Sound was glorious but did not hear any improvement compared to running on battery through the purepower. So guess the purepower didn't have any deleterious effect on the battery ac. But as it didn't show any improvement either, wil leave it out of the system unless the solar batteries run down.Still highly recommend going with solar with battery backup at least with the Enphase-Franklin system I have. Wish I had done this years ago.Bill
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 32
Post ID: 28310
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PurePower vs ...

The PurePower performance with discharged battery is not well understood. We do understand what happened with the unit on electrical level but how it manifests itself sonically nobody knows. My unit has absolutely dead battery for a few years. I do not have luxury to have a unit with battery and unit without it, so I cannot be certain. I contacted Richard from purepower and he was very thoughtful to provide number of options how batteries might be replaced. My personal feeling that his discharge battery the quality of electricity the unit produced is reduced, but since this frag was boiling for a long time, I do not see it as a problem. 


Bill, if you feel that your generator from your solar panel does wonderful job that I would strongly encourage you to drive any another digitally generate in power devices out of your system. Those units return obscene amount of digital noise to the ground and grounds of your multiple digital devices will be talking to each other in very negative way.  Unfortunately, you cannot lift grounds for your your regenerators. So what basically you need to do is decide which regenerator produce better quality from your solar system or purepower. Since your purepower is compromised with the battery you might wait when I refresh my batteries for my purepower and then you can borrow it from me and try.





"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-17-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
anthony
Posts 358
Joined on 08-18-2014

Post #: 33
Post ID: 28313
Reply to: 28259
Holy Trinnov!
The Trinnov is in my system for the first time tonight.  Just a rough optimization done and running 8 channels in Auro3D configuration including Macondo, 2 front height, two rear height, two surround...very rushed...no great care taken setting things up.  All non-Macondo channels are the same JBL708P studio monitors.  Have not bothered any bass setup yet nor installed the ceiling speaker.

The sound.

There is so much to unwrap here with my first couple of hours just streaming Youtube and letting the Trinnov do the Auro3D processing including for Macondo (I am using digital out from the Trinnov to my Aries Cerat dac for Macondo).  So much to unwrap, such unexpected results, my head is almost spinning.  I love what it is doing...but is it too much?  Or too much too quickly?  

Bill, you are certainly on to something here.
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 34
Post ID: 28314
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It will take for a while...
Well, Antony, I think it is too early for you BUT in my view one of the greatest impacts with AURO you get when you plug the AURO subwoofers and they will give the “space”. You might consider using 2 or 4 Macondo bass cannons for it. Still, it will be great it they were behind your listening spot. Also, do not forget that your AURO monitors are ported. So high path them at >80Hz


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-21-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 35
Post ID: 28319
Reply to: 28313
Trinnov
Anthony:Please feel to ask here if you have any quesdtions on Trinnov setup. As you have extraq channels, when you get some time with it you may want to use its crossover potential on your main speakers. Bill
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