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09-21-2024 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,316
Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 51
Post ID: 27601
Reply to: 27600
Isn't it all about a regular creativity?

This is very interesting subject and my position about it very much not orthodox. Yes from certain perspective high end are there might be observed in context of evolved music listening experiences. In my view it is very surface point of view. I have plenty of people with whom we interact about very deep music listening experiences but over the years I never even ask them what playback they have, I do not even know if they practice audio in any sense. What is particular interesting that when I stress some specific points which might be observed only from a perspective of high-end audio they are completely with me or at least understand what I'm talking about. 


I am not elso in a complete agreement with that position above that it has something to do with love of technology. It of course might be, but not necessaraly necessary. 


I certainly not to pretend that my position would be some kind of universal and this is strongly my take on subject. I would point out to you my signature from the Friedrich. Before typewriter invention he was writing his work by the hands but when typewriter come to the existence he begin to type. In few years he observed by act of typing in the structured format, which typewriter demands, change the way how he began to think. There is his quote come from. I think it is very similar, at least to me, in regards of audio and music. I have an interest in certain musical expressionism and for me audio  is an invention of that proverbial typewriter, in order my thoughts be developed in a format that I approve. It is sort of a reverse engineering of my own consciousness and rendered by the means of application of audio algorithms.




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,744
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 52
Post ID: 27603
Reply to: 27601
The Thread That Joins Us
I hope we all believe and support the idea that "it's a free country", and anyone might freely express whatever they want with their audio pursuits. The topic of this thread might have been anything, but it is "Accuracy vs. Musicality (and YMMV)", to mine that particular, long-beleaguered topic. I suppose we usually pretty much beat any topic to death here, but the idea of objectives going in is fair game in this thread, I think, and it certainly helps to put various viewpoints into some context. I am glad that Romy created a new thread to jab "the industry" in this context, also glad he pointed out that there is not only nothing wrong with buying gear but added it is the sense of what one is doing that creates the atmosphere one breathes and inhabits while indulging in what is fundamentally a hobby for most of us. I don't remember audio being in Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs.

Paul S
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,744
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 53
Post ID: 27812
Reply to: 27603
Live vs. (Re)produced
Ideas abound regarding how close we can come to a live musical event with our hi-fi equipment. There was a time when I bought into the idea of bringing live-sounding jazz into my home, and I built up a nice record collection while listening to jazz, rock, and musicals with my big Fulton (FMI) speakers driven by my first SS amp, a Sony TA-1130 integrated. Pretty sure these were the last speakers I heard demo'd where I wanted simply to duplicate in my home the sound I heard in the salon. It was a long time ago. Looking back, I had no idea at the time how "good" that amp was, and it was not only my first SS amp but it was also my last SS amp for many years, until I found the Marantz MA-9S2s I have used since 2013. Over the years, my own course of "Hi-fi evolution" has involved adapting my system to bring me more and more Music of my choice, an ongoing attempt to hear and relate to more Music, and "bigger" Music in particular, with an emphasis on what I find to be Great Performances of Great Works. Something funny to me is that I have had so many "meh" experiences listening to live music, particulary orchestral and opera. Not to be snobby, but Great Performances are where you find them, and I have to admit that my own focus of listening to Great Music is via my hi-fi. So, shoot me. I talked about Musical Potency as a way to talk about building a system that can "do" Big Works for me. If, say, Bruckner has a 110 dB range, then I like to have something like that. Does this mean I think my hi-fi sounds like a 110 piece orchestra? It does not; forget about it.

Paul S
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,744
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 54
Post ID: 28100
Reply to: 27812
"Just Stereo"?

I am at the point where I have gotten so much Music from The Loudspeakers that I am wondering how much one can possibly get from “just stereo”, generically speaking. Naturally, I keep DPoLS in mind as I move my speakers (and myself) around, and lately I can hear significant differences with very small movements, both the speakers and myself as the listener. Yesterday I got a big increase in the sound field, along with a little less “sense of clarity” of the Musical notes. I have observed (and mentioned) in the past that I have experienced different iterations of the sense of clarity, including times when “clearer” did not mean more intelligible. Most recently I was focused on Wand/BPO, Bruckner 4 more than the system, so hard to say much about “the nature of the clarity” then, other than what I have previously observed. Can’t say why I have put off making it easier to slide The Loudspeakers around , although recent procrastination on that front was to first decide if and how much I want to tilt the speakers. I think I will just go ahead with basic sliders and do that so it’s as easy as possible to raise and lower the front of the speaker cabinets. Of course, “easy” is a relative term here, since each speaker weighs about 235 lbs. Back to just stereo (with DPoLS), I am very curious to find what happens if/when I “get the most from stereo”, how much will be Music, how much will be sound effects, and how much these overlap and interact.


Paul S

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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 376
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 55
Post ID: 28101
Reply to: 28100
DPOLS
 Paul S wrote:

I am at the point where I have gotten so much Music from The Loudspeakers that I am wondering how much one can possibly get from “just stereo”, generically speaking. Naturally, I keep DPoLS in mind as I move my speakers (and myself) around, and lately I can hear significant differences with very small movements, both the speakers and myself as the listener. Yesterday I got a big increase in the sound field, along with a little less “sense of clarity” of the Musical notes. I have observed (and mentioned) in the past that I have experienced different iterations of the sense of clarity, including times when “clearer” did not mean more intelligible. Most recently I was focused on Wand/BPO, Bruckner 4 more than the system, so hard to say much about “the nature of the clarity” then, other than what I have previously observed. Can’t say why I have put off making it easier to slide The Loudspeakers around , although recent procrastination on that front was to first decide if and how much I want to tilt the speakers. I think I will just go ahead with basic sliders and do that so it’s as easy as possible to raise and lower the front of the speaker cabinets. Of course, “easy” is a relative term here, since each speaker weighs about 235 lbs. Back to just stereo (with DPoLS), I am very curious to find what happens if/when I “get the most from stereo”, how much will be Music, how much will be sound effects, and how much these overlap and interact.


Paul S


I am not lazy but changing the speaker position is not easy for me. I changed the left speaker position and found a semi good place, I also changed the right speaker position , finally the new position is not bad. My problem is AC quality is awful most of the time and I do not change the speaker position when AC quality is awful. 
three of My friends visited me recently and listened to my speakers in new position and they told me the sound now is much better than before.
My basic audio rules are simple:   
1- DPOLS 
2- Perfect AC power quality 
3- Amplifier/Speaker matching 

At any performance level DPOLS is game changer


www.amiraudio.com, www.hifi.ir
03-31-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,744
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 56
Post ID: 28103
Reply to: 28101
Doing What We Can Do
Repeated many times in these pages, the best sound I can get from my system tells what my system "can" do, and developing system strengths is at least as important as solving system problems. I would amend your list to say that efficient speakers that can also take and make some power make amp matching more straightforward, and in most cases available/deliverable current is as important as voltage expressed as Watts in real world speaker/amp circuits. In terms of AC, I add that solving ones own ground issues is a BIG part of achieving acceptable AC performance. As for DPoLS, I suppose I have not yet found that Ivory Billed Woodpecker, but I know from experience that speakers' positions in the listening room and the listener's position relative to the speakers are also BIG Issues, and well worth the efforts, in terms of developing speakers' Musical capabilities. Showroom performance is one thing; it's my own listening room that I am concerned with, as it is the only place where my own gear needs to work.

Best regards,
Paul S
04-01-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 376
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 57
Post ID: 28105
Reply to: 28103
Audio Rules
Paul,
These three audio rules regardless of gear are just necessary conditions before listening/judging any audio system and those are not about performance of playback. For having high performance playback there are many things that we learn from experts like Romy.I agree you we need more efficient loudspeakers and my priority is dynamics so I prefer to go for more dynamic/efficient speakers.


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