unicon wrote:

The video I am hearing Sounds like trash... I am pretty sure This set of shit sounds like trash in real too.(no offense)

A site visitor sent me another video of Silbatone from the last show:

Another video of the room playing barbaric music. The only missing part from this video was Joe the Archeologist , naked but wearing a ballet skirt and jumping around in open side leaps.

From the video it looks like they finished the speaker expensive. In a way it is very sad and it drove the price higher but server no audio purpose. Quite in contrary with rough textured finish those time of the horns sound better. The most absurd however was the huge bank of capacitors that they use for filters I presume. Again, it is not about the price but sane relation between price and topology. Any piece of equipment might have any price but some topologies are not useful at some condition and price is one of those conditions. The build up a buttery of caps for most likely bass driver is fine for $1000 speakers but for the speaker of $230K it is absurd.  For this price the speaker must be multi-amped and if the Silbatone do not get it then they have no idea what they are doing.  BTW, looking at the music they play at the show it very much might be the case….

The only exception that would justify Silbatone use of the assembly of 20 caps if they WE caps. It is not that WE caps are good but Silbatone use WE in the way how joke Jews use Holocaust - as the ultimate argument in their limited mind. It is very sad and extremely not stimulation. The purpose of practicing Audio is to make good audio today, not the pray and subordinate ourselves to 80 years old WE junk but to make audio of today that would over-perform what all those people did in past. I am sure that Silbatone walk do not drive cars from 1930, do not fly by planes from 1930 and do not solicit sex with women from 1930.There is absolutely nothing “special” in audio from 1930. There was a huge amount of stupidity in audio that took place between then and now but it does not elevate WE, Bell, Klangfilm, Telefinken and the rest of them to the rank of brainless reverence. If Silbatone did accumulate many WE components and they believe that they posses something valuable in their sound then why do not make audio today that would express that “something”?

I think we do and I think that best audio of today is much beyond where WE use to stay. It just might not be produced by Silbatone….

Romy wrote:
I think we do and I think that best audio of today is much beyond where WE use to stay. It just might not be produced by Silbatone….

It must be so, and its true it isn't being produced by Silbatone...but the rest were so inferior-with a couple of excemption -that Silbatone could shine.

Regards,
Armen

Of course I did go to the GIP site and I did not see in there a lot of what I would like to see. They are presented in there as a vintage audio resellers, stressing the originality and authenticity of their items. The brochure that you posted has completely different attitude, the attitude that I like quite a lot. I do not know where it suddenly comes. I know that all those people in one way or another read my site and most likely they read my criticism about the stupid vintage paranoia and moronity of replication efforts; perhaps they took is as a their marketing ploy.

There are 2 possibilities.

1)      The new 9101 driver might be the same as the old GIP 954 WE replica and the “recognition of the original qualities and improving drivers performance up to the contemporary demands” is just a literature that GIP took from my old posts.

2)      GIP always was not just replicating WE but trying to improving the things but in the environment of the today audio idiots who sell to each other  WE labels they never had guts to proclaim that they do different own drivers, not only replicate WE. Now they decided to change the literatures….

Of cause the second possibility would be nice but I wonder if it is what was going in the minds of GIP people then why the complete speakers systems  that they endorse and sell are the same replica of WE, with no efforts to made anything more intelligent?

I do not have the answers.

It is very self-evident for kind public this clown is working. From all BS that was expressed about me I would point just two facts:

1) I never kicked Joe Roberts from my site and according to site's memebers log he keeps visiting daily.

2) I do not hate Joe Roberts for the reasons he fantasizes but rather I disrespect him because I find him being unethical simpleton, unethical at personal level (like all sales-pimps are) and simpleton in the subjects of audio.

The amount of factual lay he spread about me at various Web sites in order to propel his agenda is too explicatory. It is sad that Silbatone use that dirt as thier speak person. I guess is said a LOT about Silbatone…

The Cat

Posted at:

http://mailman.io.com/pipermail/sound/2011-May/020657.html

Joe Roberts jroberts at io.com
Mon May 30 18:24:25 CDT 2011

On 5/30/2011 2:08 PM, jc morrison wrote:
> by the way, what the fuck is up with romy the cat? is that guy
> some kind of autistic plumber or what is it that he does? can anyone
> explain to me what his shtick is and why does anyone put up with his
> crap? mystified... does anyone take him seriously?
>

Romy is probably the worst of the clueless wannabe internet audio gurus.
His personal stuff is rather primitive...about where half of the people
on this list were in 1985. Regulator tubes, and multi-amp 5 way horns
and whatnot.

Apparently, he got decent results with these entry-level experiments
that everybody does, which is surely possible, and is now convinced he
is the arbiter of all audio knowledge.

His real skill is in his ability to cultivate a league of dedicated
STASI ball-lickers who grovel at his feet. Stockholm syndrome in action.
There is no shortage of masochistic, low esteem mofos in this hobby and
Romy seems to be able to convince plenty of them that his own delusions
of grandeur have some justification in reality.

Romy is intimidated and afraid of anybody with knowledge or experience
beyond his own, which is a significantly large group, unless he can get
them on his personal expert list to call for advice and answers to posts
he can't handle himself.

Yeah he is no fun. Kind of a sad, tragic, twisted figure. Manners and
personality of an aboriginal. He can be funny in small doses but the mix
of obnoxiousness and insecurity is too disturbing for the comedy content.

I am reminded of this little ditty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFdl7982TgA&feature=related

The Cat particularly hates me because I clearly pointed out the
epistemological dead-end in his constant critiques of stuff he has not
heard--or anything other than what he endorses.

He quietly kicked me off his site...guess I (and the truth) was too much
of a threat. Yet he complains that he is attacked in forums he got
kicked out of (most of them) where he can't defend himself.

Fact is, he really sucks at analysing stuff he hasn't seen or heard but
he constantly insists on doing it, as a sort of personal specialty.
Maybe he has a good ear and maybe not, but I doubt he has really heard
that much. Worse, he doesn't think he needs to...

To this I say:  http://tinyurl.com/3clxtpk

He was on this list for a few weeks 15+ years ago and the locals drummed
him out of town because he was a disruptive fool. If he didn't have his
own site, he would have nowhere to go.

Don't worry, man. he won't go after you because he would have no clue
what your stuff is about. The Cat is a pussy to the max.

J-ROB

PS: Everything I say is illustrated in this thread, which I found
looking for Munich reports:
http://www.romythecat.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=2&postID=16356#16356

jessie.dazzle wrote:

Memo to Silbatone: Associating yourselves with a person who expresses himself in this way will undermine your hard work and any credibility your products might deserve.

Stitch wrote:

High End will die anyway, it will be replaced with high price tags …

Actually it is very valid point. High-End Audio as a notion implies advance sound reproduction by all means, with disregard to cost-benefit analyses or any other considerations. Unfortunately many manufacture today offer just high prices, in fact ridicules high prices but do not offer audio advancement.  Interesting the high prices are not the presentation of high flying topology but just the tribute to un-punished environment where audio pimps operate. Nowadays it is impolite to make a loudspeaker that cost less than $100K and to propose that it might sound well. Interesting the this $100K does not buy an advanced topology of better sound and in most of the cases it deliver sound very comparable to $150 JVC table radio. I am very much not kidding. The only loudspeaker from the late time that I feel is topological more or less justified to have high cost are Cresaro Gamma but still – they are TAD level loudspeakers if you know what I mean. No matter what you do with TAD driver they will still do not get better then TAD drivers – so in my mind Cresaro Gamma are at the level of the same $20K retail – with TADs they will not do anything pushy.

What I am interested is to see why buy those $250K loudspeakers. For sure no one does and they if are sold then at huge secretive discounts, perhaps at 65-75% off. Still, the people who pay even $50K-$70K for a pair of loudspeakers – do they have any mind to understand that for $50K they shell have something more than shiny box with 2-3 drivers?

A few years back I was meeting a local audio guy who did pay around $65K for a pair of new loudspeakers – 3 drivers in box. I visited him, it sounded like shit, not only because of loudspeakers but because many other reasons. I of course told him but he insisted that I do not understand anything.  I asked him what I need to understand. She pointed out to me that the wood pattern on his right and left loudspeaker is absolutely symmetric and if left loudspeaker has under the shiny surface some kind of wooden texture then the right loudspeaker has absolutely identical texture but mirrored.  Honestly, the guy was so proud about this fact that I decided do not ruin his triumph. I did not go to his listening room since then however…