02-10-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,160 Joined on 05-28-2004 Post #: 1 Post ID: 15561 Reply to: 15561 Looking for different Sound of Schubert 9 fiogf49gjkf0d I was playing today my beloved Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment Schubert 9 symphony under of Charles Mackerras.  It is not absolutely “right” Schubert. It has good phasing attempt and it has very good verbalization of Schubert’s metaphors but it does not have Sound that I would like to get from Schubert. The Orchestra has that idiosyncratic “vintage” sound that I happen love a lot but it does not work with me on Schubert 9.  I would like sound on this peace to be “majestic” but it instead it a bit pitchy… Sure there is always Furtwangler with Berlin – there you have the Phrasing but I would like to have Sound on this work that would define itself.  For sure I need Vienna or Czech Philharmonic for Schubert. I have Solti leads Vienna Philharmonic and Konwitschny with Czechoslovakians but I am not too wild about those performances.  I bought recently the Konwitschny LP of the work – will see if the original Czech pressing will be better. Günter Wand with Berlin a few years back was very nice but it was not “dangers” interpretation, too save. What I say “save” I did not mean the interpretation but Berlin Sound. There is a DVD of Günter Wand doing the Nine with his NDR Symphonieorchester . I do not buy DVD for orchestral performances and I prefer audio CD. I was searching for a while the CD version and found it available only in Germany. Why they do not sell it in US I have no idea. When I get it I will see what NDR would do. As now, writing this post I am playing my another beloved conductor – John Barbirolli. It is not a secret that I like a LOT of what Barbirolli did bit the Hallé Orchestra is not “there” – did you see a lot of Britain's orchestra to be able for tonal extravaganza? Anyhow, I am still opened for “offensive” sound of Schubert 9. I would be very welcome for any recommendations, particularly from Vienna or Czech Philharmonic. Rgs, Romy the Cat "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-11-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree jessie.dazzle Paris, France Posts 456 Joined on 04-23-2006 Post #: 2 Post ID: 15563 Reply to: 15561 A majestic Schubert N°9 fiogf49gjkf0d Romy wrote: "...did you see a lot of Britain's orchestra to be able for tonal extravaganza?..." I have Schubert's 9th by the following: London Symphony Orchestra/Joseph Krips Berlin Philharmonic/Gunter Wand Berlin Philharmonic/Karl Böhm Unknown Orchestra/Unknown Conductor (girlfriend's copy; she burned a CD without noting any details) I rank them in that order and by far the most "majestic" is the LSO/Krips 1958-59 performance; there might be an interpretation you like better, but this is the one that best corresponds to how I would like to hear it. Its a stereo recording and does not suffer from that "we-put-the-mic-in-the-next-room" sound that is sometimes the case with older (and some newer) orchestral recordings. I would not have guessed from the quality of the sound that it was recorded so long ago. jd* How to short-circuit evolution: Enshrine mediocrity.

02-11-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,160 Joined on 05-28-2004 Post #: 3 Post ID: 15564 Reply to: 15563 Interesting… fiogf49gjkf0d Interesting, thanks, Jessie. I am not familiar with this one if I would not look under normal circumstances for London Symphony from 50-60s. As I understand 1958-59 it was after Krips lead LSO and moved to US, interesting… Another interning fact the after your recommendation looking for this Krips’ Schubert I realized that CD with Krips 8 and 9 are being sold in UK for $50-$60. For a third money I bought first pressing, mint condition LP from Austria, so will be listening your Krips on record… The Cat "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-22-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,160 Joined on 05-28-2004 Post #: 4 Post ID: 15611 Reply to: 15564 The Krips’ Schubert 9 and no strudels? fiogf49gjkf0d Got my Krips’ Schubert 9 today from UK and was playing it today, thanks, Jessie, from the recommendation.  The performance indeed a very-very-very good, I mean super good but it goes not has Sound that I was looking for. What Krips and London Symphony doe is playing the concert version of the Schubert 9. They play it as a showpeace, the play it brilliantly and tasteful like a super-kinky gourmet meal cooked to a wold cooking competition but it has no taste of the grandma Gefiltefish. The sound I am looking for is different. I would like to hear the grandioso Sound but with the viennese twist. Krips does no do it. No matter how good his phasing is but his Sound more reminds me Norwegian oratorio then what I am looking for. The Krips’ Schubert 9 will lay on my shelf dedicated to the best performances ever but it does not close my quest for proper sound from Schubert 9. The closes of all to the sound that I would like to get is Furtwangler with his  Berlin in 1952 but would like to have it in full stereo with  very much full range…  The Cat   "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche