12-28-2024 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,253 Joined on 05-28-2004 Post #: 26 Post ID: 27826 Reply to: 27825 Try to look into this outside of ML2 shoebox. Well, let me give you perspective and you understand where I'm coming from. Two pairs of ML2s this is what I had back in 2002. Then I discovered some restrictions of ML2. Elso, I developed interest in dedicated amplification and ML2 was not the subject of those experiments. Trust me, it is very safe to sit under umbrella of ML2 and pontificate about naturality and anything in those lines, because ML2 is them safe umbrella. However, when you step out of safety of ML2 protection then each character of sound, dynamic behavior, articulation, ratio between harmonic situation volume and specific octave become the consequences of your actions. In your case, you have a safe acoustic system and safe amplification that was given to you by virtue of you getting two very successful brand and models. Now pretend is that you have objective to beat It. Not to beat it in absolute term but bypass certain limitation that you feel you would like to bypass. You cannot sensibly talk about producing natural sound without being the person who will make the actions to actually produce it. This is why I feel that naturality is valid quality for an observer. If Lamm was alive he would tell you most likely that you're the duality is his actions. And he is very deliberately implement specific decision in his design in order you to observe naturality. Two of the best models he ever build preamp L1 and first production of ML2  has a lot in them that was very intentionally made that in your estimation would produce what you call natural sound. Ask David, when he was making his turn table if he was concerned about naturality of sound or more about precision of polishing some kind of specific details in his turntable. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

12-29-2024 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree PeterA Posts 19 Joined on 04-29-2021 Post #: 27 Post ID: 27830 Reply to: 27826 Safe umbrellas and dancing in the rain Well, ML2 was not given to me.  As you know, there are many choices available.  I compared and then chose the ML2.  Yes, I did not design it or create it, but what it does is available to those who identify it and choose to use it.  Is it a safe umbrella?  Yes, if your goal is to assemble a type of system based on my approach to the hobby.  I have a target, and the ML2 gets me closer to that target.   Many people can experiment, be expressive by creating.  All of that is fun and good for learning.  Some hobbyists do that, and that is the realm of the designer.  I know my limits and have chosen to benefit from and simply enjoy Vladimir's work.  David Karmeli introduced me to it.  In the end, for me it is about results, not so much my need for expression.  Others can get their clothes wet by dancing in the rain. I have the original LL1 but I also have the L1 and have been using the L1 with ML2 for four months.  It is a very good combination.  I will put the LL1 back into the system soon and then better understand Vladimir's progression.   I have talked to David about his turntable and speaker designs.  He explores different design ideas to achieve his goal of natural sound, the target always being the listening experience similar to real music.  Getting the specific details right serves that goal.  A nicely finished product is another requirement for a completed design at his level. American Sound AS2000; Lamm LP1, LL1.1 Sig, ML2; Vitavox CN-191 DIY signal cables, rack, Ching Cheng power cords System link: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/natural-sound.32867/