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[quote user="Romy the Cat"] Sean19 wrote:Both versions of
802's have GPA diaphragms both are used on the same horn in a model 19 clone.
Over longer periods of time the older versions are easier on my ears. You deal with random result. Pretend that ...
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I have always thought my old Altec 802's with the concentric ring phase
plug sounded better than my newer 802 G with the Radial phase plug. If i
had to describe the difference i am hearing i would say the concentric
ring style just simply sound...
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One advantage of the use of a phase plug in a midbass horn is that it will beam less at higher frequenzies than a horn without phase plug. If the phase plug is designed for the specific horn and driver it will help "steer" the HF.
Me and a friend ...
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Dear Romy,
well the horns are actually not designed for HF. The intended working range is up to 5-700. But since we use low Q, only second order filters we want to have a rather large overlap in the crossover region and a fairly even pattern over ...
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[quote user="ulf"] Well, it was not really a surprise to us that the horn without the phase plug was dissapointing. Without the plug we had a horn that was a bit too short, had too large front cavity and less compression than we desired. [/quote]
It...
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Hello, Ulf.
Interesting. The TAD1201H is 12-incher with resonant frequency of 50Hz. It has relatively low resonant frequency for 100Hz Tractrix midbass but you most like used 10” thought and consequentially shorter horn. The shorter horns beam...
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In reply to those who asked me to post the detail pictures of the Vitavox S2’s phase plug.
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[quote user="ulf"]A few years ago we discovered the tractrix horn for MF use. It was really the most important improvement so far. No more honking exponential horn sound. The improvement was so clear that A/B testing was not needed. [/quote]
For wha...
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Hello,This is my first post to this site, which I have been absorbing for over a year.A horn project that I have been considering would include either a 1 inch or 1.5 inch throat compression driver into a Tractrix profile horn of which I have not yet...
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John, I disagree.
No one deny the importance of harmonics and you are right saying that “If a speaker does not reproduce the harmonics correctly, then the tone is not reproduced correctly.” However you are talking about a complete speaker, not...
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Something they mustve obviously done better than others using beryllium. Judging the sound. In a positive way. The lower 3 are titanium, but all upper 3 are 4/3/2 inch BE sourced from truextend. The suspensenion however is soft and allows excursion.I...
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[quote user="cv"]Little suggestion should all else fail - you could have a rudimentary phase plug machined that would give you the same (or similar) compression ratio as the original but only one annular exit path. This might preserve the driver char...
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Dear Romy,OK, some more about the midbass.Well, it was not really a surprise to us that the horn without the phase plug was dissapointing. Without the plug we had a horn that was a bit too short, had too large front cavity and less compression than w...
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[quote user="Dresden"] ... two J-shaped horns back-to-back, as though it were a mirror image. --the drivers do NOT share the same throat, but instead each driver loads its own horn. I'm sure the 'picture' is now clear, correct?...If...
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I've only had the pleasure of listening to 'professional' horns (whatever 'professional' really stands for)--horn normally used in concerts and small venues. (It was always so obvious to me--by listening--that the range of the horn-loaded 'bass...
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John, I disagree.
No one deny the importance of harmonics and you are right saying that “If a speaker does not reproduce the harmonics correctly, then the tone is not reproduced correctly.” However you are talking about a complete speaker, not...
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I’m glad you talk about geometry, but to respond to this I have to refer to other brands. I will only talk about facts and hope it’s not offending anybody.My basic point is: the flare rate has to be coherent right from the entrance of phase plugs. In...
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[quote user="AJ"]Hello,This is my first post to this site, which I have been absorbing for over a year.A horn project that I have been considering would include either a 1 inch or 1.5 inch throat compression driver into a Tractrix profile horn of...
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Those look very nice. Do you have a photo of the phase plug?...
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[quote user="ulf"]A few years ago we discovered the tractrix horn for MF use. It was really the most important improvement so far. No more honking exponential horn sound. The improvement was so clear that A/B testing was not needed. [/quote]
For wha...
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electronluv do's not have the ability to make beryllium diaphragms or the legal stuff to even buy raw beryllium i bet with a little surfing you may find the companys diaphragms i use .Yes 3.25" is to help get beter HF extension but to also get a very...
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The direction of lansing was the main factor of speakers not W.E. Just look at the phase plug on the W.E HF drivers and look at the phase plug on the lansing Hf drivers this is were it all went down hill. Your mid and Hf drivers from lansing took the...
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Let me tell you a bit about how an why we designed the midbass horns the way we did.A few years ago we discovered the tractrix horn for MF use. It was really the most important improvement so far. No more honking exponential horn sound.The improvemen...
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THE ONLY COMPANY THAT HAS ADVANCED THE DESIGN OF A MODERN DRIVER IS JBL,,, GOING FROM THE WESTERN ELECTRIC DESIGN TO THE 375,,376...PRO VERSION 2440,,2441... TO the 2450 types..USEING COHERIENT PHASE PLUG DESIGN TOPOLIGY that unit was adapted to the...
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[quote user="ulf"]Let me tell you a bit about how an why we designed the midbass horns the way we did.A few years ago we discovered the tractrix horn for MF use. It was really the most important improvement so far. No more honking exponential horn so...
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I did not like the two slit configuration of the phase plug..but the five to one compression ratio produced low distortion,,,but i was not impressed with its bandwidth,,,JBL also used a eight inch speaker assembled to a special phase plug,, You will...
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I think this is the one w/ the ribbon driver . Seems more innovative than contemporary Western Electric approach. That is the planar driver would not require a phase plug ?Western Electric's mid 1930's phase plug passes sound thru narrow slits and ot...
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One advantage of the use of a phase plug in a midbass horn is that it will beam less at higher frequenzies than a horn without phase plug. If the phase plug is designed for the specific horn and driver it will help "steer" the HF.
Me and a friend ...
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[quote user="zako"]THE ONLY COMPANY THAT HAS ADVANCED THE DESIGN OF A MODERN DRIVER IS JBL,,, GOING FROM THE WESTERN ELECTRIC DESIGN TO THE 375,,376...PRO VERSION 2440,,2441... TO the 2450 types..USEING COHERIENT PHASE PLUG DESIGN TOPOLIGY that unit...
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John, I am bit puzzled with your response. I do not know what would be a proper material for cone/dome of diaphragm. The source where “tone” is born in compression drivers is absolute mystery to me and I in my holly naiveté believe that no one else k...
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