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05-20-2015 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Stitch


Behind The Sun
Posts 226
Joined on 01-15-2009

Post #: 176
Post ID: 21664
Reply to: 21663
Model III
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The Manufacturer told me, the Model 3 has a lot of identical parts from Model 1 (Motor-management, Materials, Vacuum, Air bearing, Glass platter...) and they want to serve more customers, Price is 50% of Airforce Two.
One of my friends owns the Airforce One and will buy the Model 3 because he said, the precision to adjust Arms here is much better than with the fixed Armboards from his Model One (or Model Two), when the pre drill is not absolutely 100% correct, there is no way to change it.  I have to agree and I am also no friend from the wood plate in the Armbase, the energy transfer from the Arm to the suspension is inferior compared to the old Seiki solutions (or Model III) The Manufacturer told us, from the Performance quality this Model 3 is only in lower Bass not of par with Model One/Two....anyway, there is so much junk out there which is good for nothing, that Model 3 would be my choice when I would look for something serious. The majority of other Turntables are cheap everywhere or show "features" (multi-motor ....) which do not raise the Performance in reality. Compared to those, these TechDas units are made like (brain, material costs, selection of parts, brain for increasing playback quality...) from outer space.
Years ago Romy wrote a bit about his Seiki and quality and asked, he would be curious how much "these" would be in comparison price today. Now we have the answers. But price Japan and the following Distributor chain worldwide has its own rules :-)
I don't think they surpass the older Seiki 5000 / 8000 from Playback quality when those are a bit tuned (Active suspension, Boston Mat on platter...) ... some are sold in USA, mainly with Graham Arms because he is the Importer but in Asia they sell quite well and most use different Arms with those. I listened quite often to Model One and all I can say, I did not hear something I did not hear before with my unit.. but this can be a compliment, too. The majority of the "modern" Turntables I wouldn't even touch even when I would get paid for....
Based on that, I think, the Model 3 will find a lot of customers.
Pic of Model 3 
TechDas 1.jpg




Pic of Model Two cut

AF-2 cut.jpg





Kind Regards
Stitch
05-20-2015 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 177
Post ID: 21665
Reply to: 21664
That is not so simple.
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 Stitch wrote:
The Manufacturer told us, from the Performance quality this Model 3 is only in lower Bass not of par with Model One/Two....

This sound very reasonable to me and my compliment to the Manufacturer. However, there is an intricate notion in this. Pretend that we have two TechDas or Micro TTs that we need to “compare” and pretend that we able to setup both of them in order each of TTs do their best. Yes the main difference between the two TT would be in lower bass but it is not so simple. The difference in the bass will be observable but to have with absolute serenity which one is better is not so simple. You can hear the difference “as is” and to say what bass is “better” (this is simple) but it would be true ONLY for your current configuration. How about if you drop your VTF for 0.1g or load your cartridge for 20R lower, or lowering the prissy in suspension platform for 20pci, or does other 290493 things that impact bass …. Suddenly the TT that was questionably the bass winner initially might not be the winner anymore. It is just like going to negative output impedance with your bass amplification – a person feel that he “lost bass” and it sound certainly worse and the person is not understand that he juts canceled out the primary driver resonance (upon which his speaker was build) and not in order to get the same bass it need to be used different methods, witch in fact would yield much better bass then before. 
 
I do not say that change cartridge/TT configuration might compensate something and accidently compliment belter bass performance in “loosing” TT but unfortunately it very much might be a case. It is not to mention that most of the TT users out there do not go to the realm of bass performance what the difference between the TechDas bass is truly matter. For instance I know one AIR Force 1 user and I do respect his judgment. However, I also know that he has an acoustic system that that in my estimation does not do right things under 40-50Hz. Is so, then how shall I perceive his comments about the difference between AF1 bass, 8000’s bass and 927 bass?   I have no doubts that the difference is there and he might very accurately name it but how important this difference is. I did not detect that any of TTs active in him a drive to make his playback to have better bass. If so then I perceive the different at the level of juts audio “small talk”.


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02-21-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
Posts 162
Joined on 09-07-2014

Post #: 178
Post ID: 23012
Reply to: 21665
There is a Premium now.
TechDAS launch the "Air Force One Premium": http://www.techdas.jp/analog_00.html




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02-22-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 179
Post ID: 23020
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...and the Ultimate turntable has been found….

ThomasAndTurnable.jpg




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02-22-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
ArmAlex
Iran
Posts 82
Joined on 02-15-2009

Post #: 180
Post ID: 23021
Reply to: 23020
TT master
He's sooooo cute!
Armen
04-30-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
Posts 162
Joined on 09-07-2014

Post #: 181
Post ID: 23205
Reply to: 23012
Klaudio Tangential Tonearm.
A curious tonearm from Klaudio, video (prototype?) and another video.



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05-02-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
KLegind
Posts 32
Joined on 04-03-2008

Post #: 182
Post ID: 23206
Reply to: 23205
Pivot tangential arms
This is hardly a novel concept. The Thales tonearm and a few others have addressed this issue. All else being equal, the tangential approach would be superior, but the added mechanical complexity of marrying a pivot with a linear tracking system might end up as a worse compromise.

Best,
Kris 
06-09-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
Posts 162
Joined on 09-07-2014

Post #: 183
Post ID: 23255
Reply to: 23206
Field Coil Loaded Tonearm
"PrimaryControl is presenting a new bearing technology, the world’s first field coil loaded unipivot tonearm. This technique provides high torsional stability and a low moment of inertia for the tonearm. Bearing chatter, caused by energy transfer in the unipivot bearing, is eliminated.

In combination with the new developed ultra low resonance armwand, it leads to a low frequency reproduction and a sonically performance unmatched by any other unipivot tonearm design."


I do not have idea if it is something worthy to pay attention, or the usual bullshitism.

Thank you!



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06-12-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
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Post #: 184
Post ID: 23258
Reply to: 23255
PrimaryControl
I forgot to add the reference of the PrimaryControl tonearm.



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07-18-2017 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
biondo1962
Posts 1
Joined on 01-02-2012

Post #: 185
Post ID: 23331
Reply to: 6901
Versa dynamics
hello Richard, I hope not to bother you,
I have read your old post, please can you tell me if you still have a contact with the Versa turntables?
thank you very much
kind regards
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  »  New  Michael Fremer Continuums…..  Pre-manufactured box speaker...  Audio News Forum     54  431962  01-21-2006
  »  New  The Foolishness of Analog People..  Late to the discussion but cannot resist...  Analog Playback Forum     56  404502  01-30-2006
  »  New   A longer turntable belt...  SP10 and the Japanese contribution to audio...  Analog Playback Forum     60  367421  02-02-2006
  »  New  My Analog Playback: the fat lady has sung..  My analog setup update....  Analog Playback Forum     9  83974  04-04-2006
  »  New  Micro Seiki SZ-1T..  I guess it's my own fault....  Analog Playback Forum     2  25209  06-10-2008
  »  New  Dynamic viscose stabilization of turntable’s platter...  Will not work...  Analog Playback Forum     14  72910  11-26-2008
  »  New  Active Tonearm Monitoring System...  The most idiotic idea I’ve ever seen...  Analog Playback Forum     2  24853  07-14-2009
  »  New  The HoroMusic turnable...  And the 27" long tonearm might be a Moronic as thi...  Analog Playback Forum     6  46786  08-05-2009
  »  New  Audio Note new turntable and inflation..  When I see the crap like this thing…...  Analog Playback Forum     13  102139  01-03-2010
  »  New  How much does it cost to stabilize a turntable speed?..  How much does it cost to stabilize a turntable speed?...  Analog Playback Forum     0  12292  03-13-2010
  »  New  A turntable platter as a turbine?..  A turntable platter as a turbine?...  Analog Playback Forum     0  9744  10-27-2010
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