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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 26
Post ID: 13523
Reply to: 5323
The defeat of Synopsis or a Sacrilege?
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I have a guy who sent me his digital cable. The guy committed the crime against humanity – he claims that his digital cable much overperforms my Synopsis cable. I feel that it is imposable but I am burning-in the new cable to give it a try. I do think that there is not a lot room for improvement over Synopsis if do not do tricks, so I am very curios to hear what the new cable might demonstrate.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 27
Post ID: 13526
Reply to: 13523
With the "New" Unit?
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Romy, does this mean you got your tweaked Bidat back from John?  I already posted about the most recent changes John  made to my idat, and I mentioned in the course of that exposition that I would be open to trying some other cable.

I am still using the Synopsis, which I like primarily because it seems to ameliorate what I have always taken to be inherent flaws in digital sound.  However, the "new" idat sounds different enough that I now wonder what it would sound like with other cable.

John recommended Moray James (sp?) cable, and I have assumed that J uses this cable when he "voices" the units he tweaks.  This thought makes me curious.

I have some esoteric Japanese "studio" cable that I thought I would try again, but it turns out it is too short for my present configuration.  Still, I will eventually try another cable, just to satisfy my curiousity.

Best regards,
Paul S
02-16-2013 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Telus
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Post #: 28
Post ID: 19006
Reply to: 13523
Accuracy: try it sometime.
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Synopsis: a condensed statement
Synapse: a Belkin digital cable

Be careful.  If you can't even get this simple fact straight, I can only imagine how screwed up your schematics are.
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Paul S
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A Problem With Synapse, or Synopsis?
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Thank you, Telus.  I will try to give this the consideration it deserves.

Which sets me to ponder the fact that the Belkin cable actually does "condense" the signal somewhat, while a single synapse is not much to go on, either...

Best regards,
Paul S
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Wojtek
Pinckney (MI), United States
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Post #: 30
Post ID: 19009
Reply to: 11881
I'd want one too
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So far I have nothing from club's non-recommended component list and it bothers me, so if you still have one left I'll take it.
Regards, W
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 31
Post ID: 19011
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One Is Not Enough [Apparently]
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W, I tend to "hoard" more out of laziness and lack of focus than covetousness, intending "get rid of" surplus but never actually getting it done.  And my Post-Depression Era upbringing ensures that I can NEVER simply throw anythig away!  Also, I do try to keep "back-ups" for every conceivable "contingency", including cables.  At this time, I am glad the Belkin was still lying there where I tossed it, because - who knows why - my Acoustic Revive cable just suddenly stopped working with my DAC.  Say what???

Hard to say if it's the electricity (likely) or the Belkin, or both, but sound could be better, IMO; in fact, I need it to be better.  If I replace the Belkin again, I'll get two replacement cables, and I'll send the Belkin your way.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 32
Post ID: 19012
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OK, It Is What I Thought It Was
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I just - finally - checked the Acoustic Revive cable for continuity, and both legs are good.  So I took off the threaded sleeves that tighten the male jacks onto the females, and that was it - just as I've LONG suspected, but never bothered to verify, until now.  Maybe someday I'll mill some extra length off the threaded sleeves, so I can use them per design again...

W, drop me a pm with your mailing address (again) and I'll send the Synosceros along to you.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Telus
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Post #: 33
Post ID: 19016
Reply to: 19012
Impressions
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Paul S.: In what way do you feel the Synusaurus is lacking?  And what about the Acoustic Revive do you prefer?
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 34
Post ID: 19017
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Quick Comparison
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Telus, briefly, in my system:

The Synapse is "good" because is ameliorates HF noise adroitly enough to make it "work" in some systems (probably most systems...), including my own before recent "upgrades" to my DAC opened the door to other options.  For good and for ill, the Synapse is a deftly wielded broad brush.

By comparison, the Acoustic Revive (in my present system) offers a more "open" sound, along with more "parts" that make up the whole, and - in my present system -  it does this without sounding srtrident or fatiguing.  It does make poor CDs sound more like poor CDs, but the specifc causes are made apparent, as opposed to "homoginizining faults".  For good and for ill, the AR offers "more" than the Synapse.

Fair warning: the AR was "too much" in my system before recent changes; that's why I used the Synapse.

If you read my posts about my digital front end (the Digi Redux thread), I express my low tolerance for "digital sound", and I am specific about it.  It has only been in recent years that I have been able to accept/integrate digital "extras" without being driven out of the room.  The AR cable is now part of this system-specific, incremental change.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Telus
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Post #: 35
Post ID: 19018
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Thank you sir!
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Thanks, Paul, for that excellent and detailed comparison.  I went through the thread you mentioned also and share your issues with the hardness that 16/44 reproduction always seems to impart.  To date, I haven't found a way around it--in the digital realm--myself.  Some day, some day...
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Paul S
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Post #: 36
Post ID: 19038
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What do you mean, "16/44 Hardness"?
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Telus, I did not complain of "16/44" or of "hardness" but of a range of problems with digital sound I've experienced.  I have also whined loudly about SACD in other threads.  My present digital system is my best attempt to get as much Music with as few problems as I know how to do.  And I still get less Music and more problems from digital than I get from LPs.  Of course, I am ever hopeful (and always fishing) to discover something good that I've overlooked.  By all means, if you know of digital systems that deliver lots of Music and get around the problems I complain of, please share your experience.  You may have notice that I recently went fishing (again) about high sampling rates and "oversampling".  Your own remarks connecting "16/44" and "hardness" make me wonder how you've improved on this?

Best regards,
Paul S
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tuga


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Post #: 37
Post ID: 19039
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"Range of problems" in digital sound?
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 Paul S wrote:
Telus, I did not complain of "16/44" or of "hardness" but of a range of problems with digital sound I've experienced.  I have also whined loudly about SACD in other threads.  My present digital system is my best attempt to get as much Music with as few problems as I know how to do.  And I still get less Music and more problems from digital than I get from LPs.  Of course, I am ever hopeful (and always fishing) to discover something good that I've overlooked.  By all means, if you know of digital systems that deliver lots of Music and get around the problems I complain of, please share your experience.  You may have notice that I recently went fishing (again) about high sampling rates and "oversampling".  Your own remarks connecting "16/44" and "hardness" make me wonder how you've improved on this?

Best regards,
Paul S

Hello Paul,

Could you elaborate a bit on the "range of problems" you identify in digital sound?I am quite happy with a modified (by a third party) late 80s 18bit 4x oversampling redbook player. It's "rich", "relaxed" sound is both "soft" and "powerful" with very good information retrieval...in sum it's dynamic and apparently quite transparent, at least from where I stand (we all have different references and levels of expectations).Since some recordings sound more "credible" than others I would point my finger at mastering and recording technique (mic choice and positioning) for probable causes of bad digital sound.And these problems can also arise with high resolution files.

I have listened to and analyzed a few HR files and while some were nothing more than uprezzed 16/44,1s, hardly any exceed 14bit of DR. I am inclined to believe that the real differences come from different mastering...From what I have come to understand, while 16/44,1 is insuficient at the recording stage it is suitable for domestic reproduction (though many in the industry put the ideal sampling rate at around 60kHz and I can understand their reasoning).

Cheers,
Ric


"Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira Pascoaes
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Telus
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Post #: 38
Post ID: 19045
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"Hard" to say
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 Paul S wrote:
You may have notice that I recently went fishing (again) about high sampling rates and "oversampling".  Your own remarks connecting "16/44" and "hardness" make me wonder how you've improved on this?


Paul, the only constant I've found is that if a digital source claims to "upsample" to 24/96 or beyond, it is a P.O.S.  Moreover, if that source has the ability to defeat this "upsampling," it always sounds best in the off position.

I haven't "improved" on this hardness, I've just learned to live with it.  Certain component combinations, cabling choices, etc., can reduce one's perception of it, but that's merely a case of treating the symptom, not the disease.
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 39
Post ID: 19046
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After All, This is a Digital Cable Thread
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Sounds like your non-cable digital experience is similar to mine.  My own transport is "1st generation", non-oversampling for a targeted reason, as is my DAC.

Back to cable:
I'd bet that many people would regard the Synapse cable as a "simple solution" and/or a relief.

The Single Strand Cu Acoustic Revive can bring "more" without ruining the Music if typical digital problems are "dealt with" in other ways.

Best regards,
Paul S

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Amir
Iran Tehran
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Post #: 40
Post ID: 22805
Reply to: 19046
AR Cable
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 Paul S wrote:

Sounds like your non-cable digital experience is similar to mine.  My own transport is "1st generation", non-oversampling for a targeted reason, as is my DAC.

Back to cable:
I'd bet that many people would regard the Synapse cable as a "simple solution" and/or a relief.

The Single Strand Cu Acoustic Revive can bring "more" without ruining the Music if typical digital problems are "dealt with" in other ways.

Best regards,
Paul S



Paul
i did not listened to Acoustic Revive S/PDIF cable but their USB cable was not good. even 4$ hp cable was better in dynamic.
it seems usb cables structure is the same as AES/EBU. both are twisted but with different impedance.
it seems solid core copper usb (and AES/EBU) cables are theoretically good  but i am not sure about acoustic revive.

it seems finding good digital cable is a boring task. i am spending some money for testing some of them, all are over 1000$ but all disappoint me.
all small company terminate digital cables by hand. my purist anniversary USB Cable 1500$ is terminated by hand to a chip l-com connector and it's sound is compress.
i guess many audio company use 50 ohm cables not 75 ohm for S/PDIF.

i am searching machine terminated solidcore true 75 ohm cables
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post ID: 22806
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Crossing the Same River Twice
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Amir:
I have not thought much about S/PDIF cable for a while, and I have not thought "seriously" about other digital cable formats at all, since I have no interest in a "digital server", except  -  maybe -  something portable (and cheap). If Acoustic Revive is like other companies that sell a few items, then they will have changed them at some point, for some reason, since I got mine. I still like the idea of a single wire for signal, but  -  of course  -  there's no substitute for trying them out in your system with your music.  I have no experience with server cable to share, apart from the Nordost demonstration I heard at THE SHOW, Newport, 2016, when the benefits of the "upgrades" were obvious to everyone in the room. I did report this in the Industry News section.

Best regards,
Paul S

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