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Romy the Cat


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The contemporary pressing of LP records.

I always see in audio not the black boxes filled with electronic but minds of the people who use them. I know many of you will not agree with me but it might come to you eventually... One of the most remarkable mysteries for me is why in high-end industry in such a high density concentrated the most repulsive pack on incompetent and inept people. One of the many evidences is the state of contemporary LP reissues.

I always wonder if those people have mind and ears! Mind you that the people who do contemporary re-mastering are high-flying audio professionals, who have access to master tapes, money and whatever they believe the training is in order get the original recording and to press them in today vinyl (or CD formats). So, why any single today reissued LP sound like an incredible crap, making me willing to shot the idiots who vandalized Sound during the re-mastering?

I have written before that any single SACD that I have heard had appalling Sound on CD layer – I tend do not buy re-mastered SACD and I in past I have throw away to trash quite a  few of them. The CD LP record even worse. If you play the original recording from 50s-60s and the today reissue it is not the question which is better but the question is “Why”? Why the hell those idiots who press the today records made such an atrocious thing with Sound?

I am not a technologies and I do not know how the records are made. Still, I do not thing that we have nowadays worse materials and technologies then those that we had 50 years ago. So, I feel what is faulting us today is the idiocy and primitivism of the professionals who work in the industry.  I truly do not know how the situation might be cured. The pompoms cretins who run the show in the LP re-mastering sweat-shops sit there were tight and I do not see that anything might be changed. It would be fun to throw a few hundreds of today reissued LPs right in the heads of the Morons who released/press them… Unfortunately both, the records and the Morons are not good for any other utilization….

Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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The crappy today’s LP pressing - who is guilty?

When posted my post above I was bitching that that contemporary issued LPs are garbage and was accusing the Morons who make. However, there is a twist in those accusations. The senseless idiots who produces the horribly sounding modern surrogates are bad but it is a free country anyone is free to do whatever she or he knows, understand or capable off. I personally feel that senseless idiots should not have access to cultural treasury of but I also do not feel that senseless idiots or menacing criminals should not be in presence in legislative, Executive or Judicial Branches of governments. Well, were to start complaining…

So, the senseless idiots re-make today’s masters and cut today’s horrible LPs but they would not do it is those LPs were not be flying off the shelf. Here we hit the very same patters as we have in audio equipment – a complete nonexistence of any more or less sane quality control from industry’s reviewing mashie.

I generally discard recordings/music/pressing review in audio publications or audio sites but I know that this business is there and many audio Morons navigate third purchasing decisions around “somebody from Hi-Fi” recommended records list. I would hardly doubt that the reviewers who are recposoble for marketing the re-pressed and re-mastered records would even make a statesmen that a given record much be avoided because it is superbly inferior to any dimension to one that was pressed before.   If they do then the today’s LP industry would not exist, thank God – it is exactly how it must be - the senseless Grammy-winning engineer-idiots shell not re-release the sonic garbage they are releasing nowadays, at least no one shell buy it.

So, who is guilty in the bad today's LP sound? Once again – the industry reviewing sleazeballs - the non demanding marketing superstructure aiming brainless products hawking.

The caT


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DSH


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The CD format
the era of CD is guilty. LP production was narrowed, digital components replaced analogue in the studios. 20 years is enough to forget HOW.


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Romy the Cat


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There is no need to blame CD era.

 DSH wrote:
the era of CD is guilty. LP production was narrowed, digital components replaced analogue in the studios. 20 years is enough to forget HOW.
I do not think so. Correct sound reproduction results today are not different, or little different, then they were 50 years ago. There are even today - in the glory of the CD era - the people who do right sound via digital means, so there is no need to blame any specific technologies that comes with one or another recording era. It is people who are guilty. They are the very explicit idiots-people who are responsible for bad sound production and for bad public acceptance. It is very possible that 50 years ago there were much less of them and their “quietly” was much better.

I wonder what driver a cretin why has an access to master tapes to release a LP that sound dozens times inferior then a LP that was released just a few years ago. I am not saying that today pressed LP/CD shell be as good as older tapes (even many of those older tapes mostly are dying nowadays). However, cartridges today are better, electronics today is better, the materials today are better, and the technologies today are better. Why the pressed LPs sound so horrible in such case? I do not think that the people who press and master those new LPs would like to do intentional harm – they most likely would like to do better sound. Thus juts are ignorant morons who must not be where they are at the first place – they just do not know difference. They are like a freaking 16 years-old waiter who was just hired in high-end restaurant who discard customer wish to serve specific wine with specific food just because according to the “extended” mine and understanding of this tanager-waiter “bear is better and all liquids taste the same”. In the today world of audio production there are unfortunately too many of those full of self-pomposity ignorant idiots who in really have very little understanding what they are dealing with. They in many instances run the shows in mastering houses.

How do I know, Well, first of all I know a few of them, not many but few. Second. I see the results – but any of today pressing and you will know the results as well. Third, I made experiments a few years ago I was talking to very famous sound engineers, with medals, reputation and all imaginable industry decorations. I was asking him what his definition of “mastering” was. He was looking at me very superiorly and authoritatively and told me that he with his superior skills could make from any recording something that I “freaking armature” can’t not even dream. Being me, I of course decided to take advantage and to let the person to put his actions behind his words - I gave him a recording to “master”. It was a few years ago and at that time he uses 64-bit mashies running 705.6kHz. Basically they were the machines on which the cinema people run CGI animations. Anyhow, I got back the 88/24 files and it the sound was as nightmarish is it could be in my worst dream.

So, it is people – juts the people who cut today LP and the fool who promote then are idiots and it explains absolutely everything.

Rgs, Romy the caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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DSH


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Rather persuasive
Cannot disagree with you. What's your attitude to the current 1/2 speed mastered LPs from Stan Ricker? I feel like something is being added to the initial record, a kind of equalization that brings the mid-bass forward. This feeling is based on the comparison to the records of those times.


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