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06-28-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 1111
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Expensive Audiophilism as a diagnosis.

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I is a long and perpetual vision of mine that 99.99999% of indivisibles why do audio are Morons, at least in the subjects of audio. I have no problem to express this vision and I constantly find more and more evidences to back up this vision of my. Pretty much each time when I see the individuals who violently disagree with my assessment of the dominating Audio-Moronity then those individuals are the best illustration of the “99.99 % Rule”….

However, the most disgusting and the most revolting cretins among audio people are the freaks who have managed to bult large and expansive installations. I’m not talking about the people who bult expansive system but about the Morons who bult expensive systems. Those guys who have bult thier playback with the price tag of $150K-$300K feel that they “own the audio hobby”. They feel that they accomplished something that put them above the ordinary level of audio Moronity. They patronizingly and superbly ignorantly are pontificating about audio using borrowed from somebody else’s phrases and definitions. They call the heads of the manufactures house by their first name despite that the heads despise them although love to have them as buyers. They feel that any audio person ultimately wish to become them and they present thier installation as the superb audio chic. They own the shiniest and the newest names that audio propaganda has brought to thier attention and they are always the sources of the newsiest audio news.

The really of the facts about those people usually is very far fetched from the image that they bult up within their own awareness. Everything stars (and ends) with the actually meeting of those super-audio people. I means, not the reading thier false-intelligence doodles on Internet but actually meet the live person and try to assess tangibly the level of complexity (audio-wise) that the person is capable to handle. If you do so then in 99.99999% the “giant of audio wisdom of his own mind” will be collapsing like a gas balloon. In most of the cases the person will not even understand what you are trying to say or will be expressing the audio-objective of an adolescent Neanderthals. When you hear thier playback the result will be a direct derivations form thier audio thinking: the fashionably-advertised sound shaped along the promoted brand manes.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m very much NOT against the large and expansive installations. I am against the installations where the expanse and an artificial based-on-nothing reputation of the blown up products become THE ONLY one motivations that drive an individual.

So, when you see a Moron with his shiny pictures of his $200K playback who trying to express his Audiogonisms then be prepare to educate your expectations. It is VERY frequently (99.9999%) there is no actual results, knowledge, experience or sense behind those people and their Audio accomplishments and all that they possess is juts a comfortably numb patronizing arrogance.

Rgs,
Romy the caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
06-29-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post ID: 1112
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I agree but, are they to blame?
I think that many people start into this hobby more for the love to the "music machines" than for loving music. In the realm of audio, what most matters are the machines, and there is a specific language or "jargon" to explain those "audio intrincacies" that audio machines deliver. It has nothing to do with music and many people regard audio as a source of enjoyment by itself, regardless of music and musical results. Moreover the price level that some of those machines reach, has pushed this hobby into a "boutique" consumers field. Many play that game, but I really don't know if it's their fault, or it's just that they've never felt the least interest for music and for the wonderful things it has to say. These people just use the jargon and try to get what's supposed to be the very best, but once you've listened to some of those "star systems", you know that they have a different hobby than you. I wouldn't call them stupid for that, but I understand that you hate that image of superiority they want to reflect. Well, one has to deal with that on every aspect of modern life. These days it's all about money, look, exclusivity and feeling superior to others. Audio is yet another face of that.

The people that I think are morons are the ones that love music, know when something is "making music" because they feel it more than they hear it, have the money, have the chance to listen really outstanding (musically) systems, but stick to those "boutique systems" and still defend they're owning the very best. Many people love music and would know when a system is really good at making music, but don't have the chance to listen systems setup with a purpose and specific goals, nor have the money to have those systems built. As you once said, they're not morons but ignorants or simply not wealth enough. Do you think that people like these are less than 0.01% of the people involved with audio?

Oh well, I hope I've made myself clear.

aj
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Those people aren't victims but volunteers

Actually I do not think that it “all about money” but rather about “those” people who exercise nothing else then thier own Moronity. Ignorance is a state when a person recognizes that something is wrong but do not know "what" and "how" to do in order to improve or radically change the situation. The Moronity is the state of a semi-religious subscription when the actually sensations substituted with aset of dogmas and precompiled notions.

High-end audio is not about the high-end efforts but about the high-end Results. The superior results make for instances some audio elements to be superior within ascale of the audio hierarchy. However, the above-mentioned people do not discriminate the results, means or reasons. They blindly subscribed for any high-price solution, presuming that the fact of high price shields them from engineering incompetence or ignorance of the manufacturers.

Interesting that when I hear those $200K installations and experience a VERY poor result (99%),  and that is the most important – the very primitive objectives of the results, I always try to ask the owner the questions “Why?” After they answer one level of the “Whys” (or more priestly: they quote in response Jonathan Valin or any similar clown) I then I drill down to the next level of “Whys” unit they exhaust thier motivations, reasoning and self-arguments. Usually it requires 2-3 round of the "Whys" and then they find themselves in jungles of contradictions or at the dead end of own thinking. Of course, this all is necessary only if they can not hear and that is ironic fact that they really can’t hear!!! Their primitive awareness of thier is so enslaved and  so conditioned that it disables them to recognized reality “as is”.

This all convinces me that those people are not really victims but rather volunteers and therefore the phrase “Morons” is the very much applicable to that audio-group. I do not know why but I have very high sensitively to recognize the dismal communication methods, language and thoughts-algorithms that those “Morons” use. In my past was trying to deal with them, becoming welcomed into the crowd. However, then I got incredible fed up with the primitivism and the lack of self-gratification that I was able to get from all those activities and I began to wipe out those people out of my Reality. When I meet them, in the real live or on-line and as soon I got “that feeling” I juts sending them to hell, known what kind "dull package" they bare within themselves…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
06-30-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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The way from ignorance to moronity
 Romy the Cat wrote:

Actually I do not think that it “all about money” but rather about “those” people who exercise nothing else then thier own Moronity. Ignorance is a state when a person recognizes that something is wrong but do not know "what" and "how" to do in order to improve or radically change the situation. The Moronity is the state of a semi-religious subscription when the actually sensations substituted with aset of dogmas and precompiled notions.

High-end audio is not about the high-end efforts but about the high-end Results. The superior results make for instances some audio elements to be superior within ascale of the audio hierarchy. However, the above-mentioned people do not discriminate the results, means or reasons. They blindly subscribed for any high-price solution, presuming that the fact of high price shields them from engineering incompetence or ignorance of the manufacturers.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


I agree with your statements. But I wonder if some people fall into moronity because they're willing to or because the "high-end system" (industry, press and most hobbists) doesn't offer the means, nor the knowledge to get real high-end systems regarding the results. I mean that most audio aficionados don't know what's possible, so cannot know which should be their goals, don't know what's important to have recorded music sounding like true music showing its contents. So as time goes by they end up believing that best sound comes from high-end stuff at high prices. Then they start speaking the same nonsense and giving the same moron advices that they've been offered. But probably if those people had the chance of being "illustrated" and being exposed to good results, they'd change their minds and would stop looking like morons. I just disagree with you in that probably the percentage of people that aren't "true morons" is higher, although many of them look like true morons, but they would know they're ignorants if conveniently taught, so would stop behaving like morons repeating the same nonsense they're reading and being told by others, whose interests are trully moronic, or just economical.
A great deal of the problem is that most people can spend money to get what they believe are results, but most cannot spend the time, the effort and don't have the strong motivations to learn what this could be. As you said many times, it's all a matter about how serious you're about audio, and how much one is willing to spend in terms of time, travelling, reading and also money to learn before getting any decent results.
I wish there were an "easy way" to get decent results without spending so much time for an affordable money. That would make many morons become "serious-audio rookies".

bgrds

aj
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