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tuga


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Post ID: 20652
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The virus is spreading fast...
fiogf49gjkf0d

It's Art Dudley's turn, now:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/skin-deep

"I went to an audio show at which the average product price was astonishing—not just high, in the sense that a BMW is priced higher than a Subaru, but freakishly high. Yet the majority of the sound I heard there was unexceptional.

I'm grateful for the existence of companies such as AMR and VPI, who appear to have the ability and the will to make products that people of average means can aspire to own. So, too, do companies such as Conrad-Johnson, whose Classic 60 amplifier ($3750) combines quality, performance, and value in a manner that ought to be an example for all. So, too, do DeVore and Harbeth and Kimber and Peachtree and Quicksilver and Rega and Rogue and Spendor and Wavelength and others: companies whose sole focus is not always budget gear, per se, but who refuse to dress their BMW-quality products in Lamborghini cosmetics just so they can push them further upmarket. That practice has become far too common during perfectionist audio's last decade, and if it continues, we are doomed, with a capital F.

People who lack our enthusiasm for recorded music and exceptional playback gear delight in criticizing high-end audio as fraudulent. I don't share that point of view. We are crippled not so much by fraud as by a bit of greed, a bit of sloppy, cost-ineffective engineering, and a lack of willingness on the part of us all to speak up and say, I'm sorry, but an interconnect is not, under any conditions, worth as much as a new car. For me, that lack of willingness ends today."

R




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rowuk


Germany
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Joined on 07-05-2012

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Post ID: 20653
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The equipment fills the desired purpose
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I really don't get excited about the high priced stuff. They are building to a specific market and if that customer wants to spend 300K on cables, why not? I do not need to justify not being interested or even criticize the "business" plan. King Midas learned his lesson and gilded audio is just that - food without nutritional value for the newly rich.

I had a boss that drove a Porsche with carbon brake discs. You can tell the Porsche has the carbon brakes because the pad holders are yellow. He really needed to tell us about the yellow brakes. He really missed the truly wonderful things about that car - but he had his yellow brakes.


He also has a stereo - ACapella horns, the big ones. He knows that I am a musician and interested in audio and wanted to prove how good his stereo was. I asked him if he had PDQ Bachs "The Triumphs of Thusnelda". He told me how much he liked Bach - but didn't have anything to demonstrate. I said, "that's OK" and he played some girl with banjo stuff.


I think the term is decadence and that does not preceed a Picardie Third..................


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
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xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
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About the car comparation.
fiogf49gjkf0d
A bit side topic but someone made a comparation with car market but I think the best comparation would be more specificaly with sports/supercars. Indeed I feel those are the same type of clients.

People pay high prices for:

Ferraris: very well know to have the worse painting service of the all car industry. Almost each brand new Ferrari come with scratches and need to be take care by a spealist on paint revitalization in order to have a decent paint.

There are tons of issues (always the same) occurring with Ferraris for decades/models and never addressed. They simple don't care and the 'Ferrari Community' are proud to have those issues well cataloged by them with the proper workaround.

Lamborghini: very easy to find real horror stories from Lamborghini owners. Lamborghini is very know to put cheap clutchs which break around each 7500 miles in order to avoid a transmission break and then they have to pay for that due to warrant. Note: 650hp is not that big to easy break a transmisison if that had be made for that...

McLaren and Porsches usually are more realiable. Porsche issues are very consistent. The problem one car have all others of the same cars will have and they address the issues fast. McLaren being a fully robotized car every single issue need to be debugged by them in UK but they never have time to do it... Most McLarens issues are on the software side very little on the hardware side.

These clients are very happy about paying top money for unreliable cars, since those are nice to have and show - its a price to pay they say. Ferrari clients, more specificaly, love to be ignored by the crap and arrogant Ferrari client service and most still feel the need of Ferrari to go back the time when in order to buy a Ferrari one need to almost 'give a head' to the dealer.

Conclusion: I think the same happens with the 'high end' audio industry, people simple like to be stolen because they want to show they can afford it.



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