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05-22-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
coops
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Lavry vs Stahl -Tek
Romy if you have the oppurtunity , try to hear the new dac by Mike Stahl, the Stahl-Tek 'Vekian'  in my system it has greater resolution, weight and presence than the Lavry and MSB platinum which were my favourite dacs until now, regards Keith.
05-22-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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Stahl-Tek Dac
 coops wrote:
Romy if you have the oppurtunity , try to hear the new dac by Mike Stahl, the Stahl-Tek 'Vekian' in my system it has greater resolution, weight and presence than the Lavry and MSB platinum which were my favourite dacs until now, regards Keith.
I had the “opportunity”. Keith, let me I guess: you juts embraced a new line to trade? Good luck.

The caT

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
05-22-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
coops
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Stahl-Tek
Romy, just reporting my thoughts on some dacs, The stahl-tek is the 'best' one I have heard so far , of course i haven't yet heard the new  or old Pacific Microsonics yet, regards Keith.
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Romy the Cat


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The automatically upsampleing DAC and “greater resolution”
The Stahl-Tek DAC

http://www.stahltek.com/vekian_da.htm

Keith, what is interesting is that you claim “greater resolution” and “presence” - would you please explain what does it mean?

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
05-23-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
coops
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Stahl -tek rules
Romy Hi, I just mean that instruments sound more real, through the Stahl-tek whether is is the decay of a high hat or the weight of a piano, 'presence' is the same I guess when the instrment just sounds more real, re the selling part I have been looking for a realy good dac to represent and the Stahl is as good if not better than anything else  I have heard, including DCS 'Scarlatti'  MSB and Lavry , I am just looking for a good sound thats all, can you make it to Milan we are playing the Cessaro Beta's at the Septemeber show 19th -22nd, regards Keith.
05-23-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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The 'instruments sound more real' because the show is coming?
Keith,

I am sorry, man, but you are so incredibly predictable! Your accents on the assessments of sonic attributes of audio elements are so banal and so “wiling” that is it almost boring.  I this giving case, knowing something about the Stahl-Tek DAC I feel you comments are so out of place. It is not that I propose that the Stahl-Tek DAC is bad – it is not what I said – (I will take the Fifth on this subject). However, your comments on the Stahl-Tek DAC just add to a general sense of immunity that has been inner-developed inside me in response to your trumpeting comments about anything. Keith, you have to truly review the way how you mind process audio results, at lease if you would like me to get interest to your audio commentary.

Rgs, Romy the Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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coops
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About you
Romy have you given much thought to the fact that over the last year or so, this forum has become more about you ,than music reproduction, re the dac ,surely you must know when something is better, do I have to wrap it up in flowery language?
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Romy the Cat


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You might not understand that you de-serves own agenda.

 coops wrote:
Romy have you given much thought to the fact that over the last year or so, this forum has become more about you , than music reproduction…
Yes, you are correct and it is very consciousness and very deliberate move on my part. I less and less have interest in audio as an abstract intermingling with needless audio merchandises and more appreciate audio as activates that satisfies my internal needs. In fact I am losing interest to my site as the place with talks just about music reproduction without any references to human’s intentions and with any illustrations how audio serves those intentions. You will see more and more at my site talks (at least from me) about what you Hadley will be able to trade. This is what I am interested in and if you fell that it does not serves your agenda then you juts should not pay attention to what is being posted on my site.

Keith, I am not trying to demonstrate animosity toward to you or toward to any others for him audio is just a tradable commodity but you just take an easy with your allegations toward my audio interests. You people of audio trade shell know your limited place and understand you restricted perspectives; do I have to wrap it up in flowery language?

Anyhow, the expressed above has no relation to Stahl-Tek DAC, I just would like to present the drumbeat that you have spread on the third site for what it is – the stupid drumbeat – you have done it at this site multiple times. If you, Keith, have anything useful and meaningful to say about yourself in context of Stahl-Tek DAC then you might do so, otherwise there is no need for you to saturate my site with damn products announcement. You might not understand that you do de-serves to your own agenda. There are a plenty places on web where your enthusiasm will be well-embraced just because you scream “fetch”. There is need no needs to do it at my site.

Rgs, Romy the caT

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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coops
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Stahl-tek vs MSB fully loaded
Just been comparing the Stahl to the MSB Platinum III with signature and filter upgrades , I would post my thoughts but you would only decry it as another product announcement.
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tuga


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On clarity (and resolution)
"We Orientals tend to seek our satisfactions in whatever surroundings we happen to find ourselves, to content ourselves with things as they are; and so darkness causes us no discontent, we resign ourselves to it as inevitable. If light is scarce then light is scarce; we will immerse ourselves in the darkness and there discover its own particular beauty. But the progressive Westerner is determined always to better his lot. From candle to oil lamp, oil lamp to gaslight, gaslight to electric light—his quest for a brighter light never ceases, he spares no pains to eradicate even the minutest shadow."

"I would call back at least for literature this world of shadows we are losing. In the mansion called literature I would have the eaves deep and the walls dark, I would push back into the shadows the things that come forward too clearly, I would strip away the useless decoration."

Junichiro Tanizaki, "In Praise of Shadows"

"Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira Pascoaes
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Romy the Cat


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The non-minutest shadow of a kindergarten.

 coops wrote:
Just been comparing the Stahl to the MSB Platinum III with signature and filter upgrades , I would post my thoughts but you would only decry it as another product announcement.

Come on coops, grow up it is not a kindergarten.  I have no problems with product announcements – I never expressed any attitude toward to them but I have problems with stupid announcements and dull posts.

 tuga wrote:
"We Orientals tend to seek our satisfactions in whatever surroundings we happen to find ourselves, to content ourselves with things as they are; and so darkness causes us no discontent, we resign ourselves to it as inevitable. If light is scarce then light is scarce; we will immerse ourselves in the darkness and there discover its own particular beauty. But the progressive Westerner is determined always to better his lot. From candle to oil lamp, oil lamp to gaslight, gaslight to electric light—his quest for a brighter light never ceases, he spares no pains to eradicate even the minutest shadow."

Interesting view, tuga. I do not know if I agree with it but interesting.

The caT

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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coops
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Kindergarden and all that.
Romy Hi, I completely understand your feelings towards the Hi-Fi trade and reviewers , I  now ( since I started to represent cessaro ) grasp how the system works and it is often not  a particulary noble or honest world , all I want is a decent sound at home, I listen to products I tend not to post about the really disappointing ones , although that would probably make for a more exciting read!
It was you who put me on to lavry and Pacific Microsonics and latterly Berkeley audio design, I just thought I would write about a new dac ( for me ) that I thought was worthy of a mention,  I have also been listening to some Emission labs 300B's ( I don't sell them btw ) and they are also very fine, better bass and h/f greater resolution  an improvement in every way, if anyone uses 300b's worth a listen ,yours sincerely,Keith.
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tuga


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Faithfulness to the recording
<< Interesting view, tuga. I do not know if I agree with it but interesting.

The caT >>

Romy,

I have been in "this" mood after listening to a system specifically tailored for absolute faithfulness to the recording. The clarity and resolution were such that even at low levels you could hear "all" sounds distinctly...a breathtaking experience that has left my compass spinning.
After that I have taken to listening to FM on a monaural table radio waiting for the day when I get over it.

But, as time passes, I am now more inclined to describe that sound as a portrait taken in broad daylight with some overpowering fill-in flash (I believe nowadays this technique is quite fashionable)... But the model wasn't wearing any makeup.

Cheers,
Tuga

P.S.: "In Praise of Shadows" is an interesting book...

"Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira Pascoaes
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Romy the Cat


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Absolutely wonderful association!
 tuga wrote:
I am now more inclined to describe that sound as a portrait taken in broad daylight with some overpowering fill-in flash (I believe nowadays this technique is quite fashionable)... But the model wasn't wearing any makeup.
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. I even experience an epistolary envy that I did not come up with it myself. However, I would very much argue the concept of “system specifically tailored for absolute faithfulness to the recording”. I feel that “faithfulness to recording” is very fealty concept. I would not develop this idea about it in this Stahl –Tek’s thread, but I think that it was worth to state my disagreement.

The caT

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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coops
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Stahl-Tek
Romy rain all this weekend so have been listening to the Stahl-Tek and the MSB platinum III with 'signature' upgrades , MSB seems to float the sound ona cloud of coton candy, almost to the detriment of resolution , perhaps there is  little softening of sharp edges, there also seems to be a slight emphasis on bass and H'f perhaps at the expense of midrange , the Stahl is very clean sounding more coherent , but not hyper -detailed , very dynamic ,very quiet background , if anyone has the opurtuninty to hear one I would be interested to hear your thoughts, especially if you own a Lavry 924 or MSB Platinum. Keith.
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Romy the Cat


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Oh, please, not again!!!
 coops wrote:
Romy rain all this weekend so have been listening to the Stahl-Tek and the MSB platinum III with 'signature' upgrades , MSB seems to float the sound ona cloud of coton candy, almost to the detriment of resolution , perhaps there is  little softening of sharp edges, there also seems to be a slight emphasis on bass and H'f perhaps at the expense of midrange , the Stahl is very clean sounding more coherent , but not hyper -detailed , very dynamic ,very quiet background , if anyone has the opurtuninty to hear one I would be interested to hear your thoughts, especially if you own a Lavry 924 or MSB Platinum. Keith.
Keith, are you looking for some kind of company to furnish you social life around these damn DACs? You have Lavry, MSB and Stahl-Tek. Why the hell you need to hear anyone’s thoughts about the DAC’s sound? You claim that it is not your objective to raise idiotic cheap publicity around the items that you trade. So, if you have any interest in actual sound and the actual results of using those stupid DACs then do not forgets that whatever you do in audio is ONLY for yourself and for sake to benefit sound in your own listening room. If you feel a needs of a community that would share your love or your desire to drool over one or another audio element then please find another avenue to express your audio enthusiasm besides making empty posts at my site. I ignored your posts in Cessaro thread and now you are running the Stahl-Tek thread. Now you remind me that idiot-reviewer who a few years ago show up at AA explaining that he needs to write a review about a speaker and he would like to hear from the speaker users about the speaker’s Sound. Please, do not test me – I am in a fragile state now and I have very low tolerance for BS nowadays. It was a friendly reminder.

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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coops
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Hummm
Yet you change two resistors in the Lavry and we have four pages of gushing prose! I think you enjoy the sound of your own voice too much!
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Romy the Cat


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There are plenty of other places.
Keith, sorry, man, it is very much not about the damn DAC but about your simplicity and density. I hope when you grow up or get more mature you understand what it was all about. Meanwhile, keep buying, selling, experimenting – it looks it is all blind and worthless anyhow, at least in my view. Please, do not search for hostages of your “hobby” at my site or around me. There are plenty of other places where you will find some co-patients.

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Milan Top Audio
 coops wrote:
Romy Hi, I just mean that instruments sound more real, through the Stahl-tek whether is is the decay of a high hat or the weight of a piano, 'presence' is the same I guess when the instrment just sounds more real, re the selling part I have been looking for a realy good dac to represent and the Stahl is as good if not better than anything else  I have heard, including DCS 'Scarlatti'  MSB and Lavry , I am just looking for a good sound thats all, can you make it to Milan we are playing the Cessaro Beta's at the Septemeber show 19th -22nd, regards Keith.


Will you bring some DACs to listen and compare at the Top Audio?
If so send me a pm or mail, i'll be there friday and maybe sunday too.
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coops
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Milan Top Audio
Telstar, sadly i couldn't make it ti the show, did you attend, it must have been more interesting than the Heathrow, london show, 'Six moons' have posted some photographs.http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/industryfeatures.html
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haralanov


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Taking a note
Coops, this site is the ONLY place on internet which is not infected with marketing BS. Please don't pollute it.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." -A.E.
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coops
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Being a twat
Don't be one.
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Milan show
 coops wrote:
Telstar, sadly i couldn't make it ti the show, did you attend, it must have been more interesting than the Heathrow, london show, 'Six moons' have posted some photographs.http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/industryfeatures.html


No, I decided not to go at the end. I have read opinions and reportages from many friends. And of course their ears differ from mine.
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