I was saying lately something about something at the Thunderstone_Technical_Group and I got an accusation that I “ built … theory around it in three years, leaving in the dust all those audio morons (TM) manufactures and scientists? “ I was thinking about it and realized that it is not really accurate. I meant to rely the author in there but then desisted do not contaminate the Thorsten’s forum with a content that might not be soldered.

So, replying in here….

I do not bult the theories around the Morons™ manufactures, reviewers and other industry gamers. The theories are being bult themselves! For instance a few days ago one of the leading audio magazines published a big and expansive review about one of quite famous and quite reputed audio product. The review was very positive with a lot of deep subjective and objective analyses. The reviewer was not juts a typical audio teenager who was trying to bargain a free gift from a manufacture but a most popular (whatever it is means) and the most experienced (whatever it is means) reviewer the industry has.
 Now the realty of the facts. The manufacture of this product not juts do not like this particular product, he abhors (!!!) the product performance.  I perfectly agree with the manufacturer, I had this product and can testify that it performs disgusting. The manufacture, since he/she learned how bad the product sound, decided to keep it in production because he feels that “…. there are many clueless customers out there who would buy this crap, they do not deserve anything better.” (this is the original quote).

So, do  I “build the theories” around this foolish industry or the theories are being bult themselves. The manufactured does intentionally bad product and the well-oiled industry swallows this product appointing it as the best within own class?

This foolish audio industry bult own idiotic consumers demands, faked own layer of completely bogus requirements, cultivated own crowd of zombie-consumers and farmed own army of the worst scams – the industry participants - that would do and say ANYTHING in order to maintain the industry status-quo.  So, this semi-Masonic clan that spread audio-idiocy to public (that the themselves call audio-idiocy) is a fiction of my inflated imagination of is it the unfortunate realety of the contemporary audio establishment?

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

I noticed that this thread is quite popular and decided to delete my post as I doesn't bring anything new besides my personal "fears".

Wojtek,

I do not know what the “best sounding propaganda” are you looking, what RTA analyzer has to do with it and how electrical background affects my private life? Still, I would like to keep this forum loaded with thinking instead of loaded with impressions.  This site is not “Audio Oprah”!

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

Same thing

Rich,

I do not think that that is an issue about taste or the appearance preferences. Believe me or not but when we made Macondo the appearance was not a concerns of John an me. However, there is more then juts liking or do not liking how it looks like.

I personally do not particular appreciate the thinking pattern of Wojtek (and alike) use: their motivation and their reasonings (from my point of view) based on the principles that I would not call “wrong” but certainty would call boring not interesting to me. He asked me: how might he know that all that you write at my site is not juts a sick imagination of inflated looser or not just my sinister well-calculated marketing campaign to sell some kind of products. Well, probably I should….  I usually get very board with those people as they have so deep implanted fear that this fear overwrites their own senses and this own alertness.  Ironically the Wojtek reaction is something that has quite a lot to do with the content of this thread: the unavoidable worsening of a person who projects himself to “audio as is”.

The more I deal with audio people the more I like animals. Animals behave naturally, and since they have no evolved consciousness and they use their natural instincts. The audio people no not have evolved cognizant skills and they use their acquired  made-made instincts. Here is where the industry comes: to implant, to cultivate and to grow within the masses the artificial, manageable and lucrative instincts. I do not even talk about the regular zombie-audiophiles - the victims of the process. They are unfortunately boring subjects and thanks God I have developed marvelous skills to recognize them very fast. So, the most revolting in this ‘setting” are the “gatekeepers” of the game. They, the “gatekeepers”, are all-around perfectly normal balanced  (almost) individuals; some of them are good professional in other quite demanding fields. There are many corporate executives among them, civilized marketing people, doctors, top-level managers, attorneys, good civil engineers and so on. However, but as soon they turn their attention to audio then thier thinking, talking and acting become not just irrational but outrageously stupid.

For instance yesterday I spent close to an hour to talk with one of the most “connected”, quite influential  (to the crowd of his own peers) and presumably quite successful dealer/distributor and “secret” manufacturer in this country.  You would never believe how dull, now brainless and how primitive his interests, his thinking and his motivations are within the scope of the subjects we discussed.  The guy was not juts ignorant in what he does professionally but he was criminally dangers. Most of his comments, phrase or questions were juts a pile of verbiage that should not be even voiced!!! Anyhow, the unfortunate sarcasm of that my yesterday guy’s limited awareness IS THE knowledge source and encouragement for thousands and thousands idiots who has this dealer/distributor/manufacturer as their audio guide and audio solution provider.

I think, and this is a my quite perpetual vision, that in order o help Wojtek and the similar to him, audio industry, along with all it’s participants should be banned. Just this entire audio pack: the reckless epicenter of incredible unsanitary, hypocrisy, dishonesty and fraud should be evaporated, erase, eradicated out of human awareness. Still, it is not about the industry “per say” but (like anything else) it is about people. The very specific, the very-very specific, people are wickedly responsible to converting the mass-audio into the revolting environment as it exist today.

Well, I usually say that  “Perception is Realty” and as far as I concern all this “bottom-eating, self-consuming cloud of audio Morons”: the audio industry subscribers are really not alive to me. So, if those cretins MADE Wojtek to feel that Makondo “looks good” or “does not look good” than his/their opinion is completely irrelevant because, as anything else those people say / think / believe -  IT HAS NOTHING BEHIND THE WORDS.

Rsg,
Romy the caT

rdrysdale wrote:

That is really funny about the Macondo's, I think they are just incredible looking. It's amazing how people have such different likes and dislikes. Rich Drysdale

JLH wrote:

The appearance of the Macondo horns is out necessity for purity. As you very well know, the pure analytical form of a horn is a circular cross section. The Macondo horns have virtually no areas of compromise. Size, shape, flare, material, and finish all have a purpose. All things must have a purpose; otherwise they will cease to exist.

for a civilized person necessary and the results dictate a shape. For others - the shape SYMBOLIZES a “necessity”.

Let to look at the “shape” slightly wider then juts the geometry of the horn and let take it as “form”. The audio propaganda does not explain, justify or create any correlative parent between “form” and results. Quite contrary, they sell public to an abstractive, profitable to distribute and covenant to wrap-up “forms”. As the result, an average consumer can’t decipher/recognize the reasons and the motivation behind the “forms”. All that they can see are only irrelevant distinctions between the “proposed form” and what they have implanted in their conditioned mind.

For instance if you have seen the horn that this Israeli guy from Magico does:

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/TreeItem.aspx?PostID=492#492

then you might see how the subscription to the “promoted forms” could provide a very negative feedback from the contaminated brain of fools-consumers to the suppose-to-be-ration brain of the manufactures.

Rgs,
Romy the caT

cv wrote:

"Believe me or not but when we made Macondo the appearance was not a concerns of John an me" So why did you paint it then? :-) Seriously though, it occurred to me that the Henry Ford colour scheme for your kit was was quite deliberate, not for any aesthetic reasons, but to ensure that it was "undistracting" (maybe not in the conventional sense, more in terms of "neutrality"). Much like the uninsistent absence of a remote control that is not there...?

It is structured pain. It has granularity, the micro-pimples and the facade is not flat. It is useful for higher frequencies as it decpuples the “stream” of air from the surface of the horn.  Still I meant this thread as bitching about audio hoodlums not to explain why I’m not one of them….

The caT

Somehow I knew that after that Roman was not going to save me and sell cheaply a pair of Vitavox S2. Apology to all offended parties. I'm trying to change my way of thinking.

Wojtek wrote:

Well, Roman and others I think you are going a little to far with this. Don't tell me that you took everything in my PRIVATE email to you serious because I'm going to think that you're living in the conspiracy world. Actually I thought that my email to you explained in tactful and humorous way my doubts & position.

No, no, no. The reality about me is much more intriguing.  I remember there was an account at the AA’s sewers 3 or 4 years ago:

//*****************************************************

“The truth about Romy the Cat.

I have to tell you something… I live in Boston and I ambushed Romy the Cat and forced him to have a drink with me. After spending 10 minutes with him and asked him the 10 questioning that bothered me tremendously and prevented me from getting the Audio happiness. As a result, I concluded the he is a complete moron.

He is mid 30, lives in Boston and runs a cursing business. He owns Scotland’s Loch Ness Monster that he keep in cage somewhere in Atlantic at an undisclosed location. He charters an old Russian submarine which he take in ocean to demonstrate Nessy to the predominantly Moslem thrill-seekers. In Boston he live in a cage that previously occupied by Ted Kaczynski during his MIT years. Romy the Cat is a lesbian and currently he dates the Tony Soplanos’ mother. I asked Romy the Cat why people without own identity afraid of him but he begun to purr and then vomited a hairball. I meant to run away because it was too disgusting but decided to ask him one more question about me not able always to understand him. He suggested to me (to the English Philology PhD) to get some rudimental English training then to make a brain anima. After that he become explaining to me something very advanced using the Mors Code but he did not finish because he saw a dirty mouse in the floor of the bar, Romy the Cat screamed “Bingo! Female!” … and jumped to catch it. I was looking at him, as he was running across the counter like a wounded in the ass antelope, smashing the glasses and flipping the customer’s plates and though: “What an idiot!”

I can’t believe why such a serious place as AA would permit this moron to mark his Internet territory.”

//*****************************************************

Wojtek wrote:

The problem is that nobody here actually heard your horns , your SET's and your Sound. You announced that you created the best SEt in the world and than you asked some basic electronic questions …

Excellent point! If an ignorant Moron like me was able to create the “the best SET in the world” then why the “intelligent people” who have all knowledge and answers do not do the same or better?

Wojtek wrote:

and nobody doubt it, and everybody (including me ) wants the schematic which for "very important" reason you cannot reveal. Everybody assumes that your system is great because it follows such a great concept and there is 500 posts about it .

Well, I think you should stop to read this site. You will find a spiritual peace and comfort. The irony in all of this is that I do not need to convince you but only myself. Paradoxically but it proofed to be much more complicated task….

Wojtek wrote:

I can't believe there is nobody willing to hear it and say a word. I have to assume that they are afraid to be called cretin, idiot or moron.

Wojtek, I’m glad that you start your phrase with “I can't believe”. All that you say so far is depicturing your believes and fight with your own fears around your believes. I do not even know how and if should I relate to it. For a time being I would like to remind you that this thread is about “The “theories” about the audio industry…. “ If you wish to start your own thread with a title “Why Romy the Cat is a Moron” then feel free to do so and if I will be really board then I will contribute in there bitching about that miserable Romy. Meanwhile if you can’t not to discipline your own thinking making it “thinking on the subject” then if you wish I might open a new “Doctor Jennifer Melfi Forum” when you would post your unrelated comments. This is the there post on my in this thread when I advise posters to stay with the subject.

Wojtek wrote:

Hmm OK I may be an idiot and cretin but I have to believe in what I hear. I heard Cogent horns on RMAF and they were OK . ONLY OK considering effort!. I read 500 posts how great field coils are (I guess you brought it to early) . Rich, do you realize that according to Romy"s standards they were (are) probably garbage. Actually, all the systems belonging to people posting here are probably garbage , but the trend seems to be how we can bring them closer to Romy's actually WHAT?? "The sound of one clapping hand" ? There are two stages for the man with ideas "the revolutionary stage " and the stage of corruption . Judging from the reaction on my little , maybe a little to frivolous post I'm beginning to think that your are on the "transition slope" Romy. And your serious comments to my Email makes me laugh

Actually I remember that I replied your emails with very short phrases or juts with one work “OK”. The serious comments about your emails did not go to you but were posted I here when I use your perception as an illustration for quite wide spading audio-epidemic. Interestingly that in my “illustrations” I completely disregarded your specific comments, were they ironic, satiric or semi-serious. In my mind I have seen some motives in your thinking that give me a license to be convinced “what” I was dealing with.

Wojtek wrote:

Gee! you are really very American (sorry guys! )I'm disappointed how this thread moved on. In some sense you are as dead as the rest of the Audio People. Mr.Engineer... " WE made it with VIRTUALLY no areas of compromise " -nice marketing but I guess I read that before . How about the sound??? Do you like what you did?

Actually you become with tiresome… seriously. I probably should start to ignore you. I might loose fun but I will gain some believes that when people see in zoo a monkey in cage and read on the label above the cage “Elephant” then the people do not loosing thier minds….

Wojtek wrote:

OK guys be gentle now , I'm really a construction guy with $500 (maybe even a $1000) can you offer me a road to salvation? I don't read any more audio magazines, I'm not dining with influential industry leaders nor with russian scientist . Nobody MADE me think. I went out and listened and still cannot connect thousands of words with misery of the results.

Congratulations, we in the very same boat.  I’m a guy who live all my life in Africa and I would like to write a poem. However, I do know any languages and I can’t figure out what the poem might be about. Meanwhile, I will go to some kind of Internet boards and will be bitching that some Eskimos poet has written an ode to his igloo. Welcome to the sanity of Audio Moronity.

Anyhow, again, stay with subject of the thread or do not post at all.

This thread remind me of the story where the  bunch of old whores complains about the morality level nowadays.

There was some anniversary issue of TAS recently where the editor praised Pearson for his contributions to audio criticism, citing his creation of a standard vocabulary as a highlight.

WHAT?! What better way to emaciate any independent thought on the matter? Gives people with nothing original to say, or who lack the confidence to say something new the ability to belong to the club. Was Groucho ever right...

Worse, half of these terms, well, I still have no idea what they mean. And I suspect there are all sorts out for whom terms like "speed" or "transparency" mean different things, not that I've ever used these terms meself. If you are describing sound in language that a normal, uncorrupted person couldn't understand then what's the point?

I also find it disturbing when otherwise intelligent people lap this BS up and adopt it as mantra. Disturbing because if you listen intently, you can hear the faint echo of the times when the herd went fully mad. This is where I can see Romy's point about audio being about people. 

I suspect the most *dangerous* ones are the ones could spend 2 years on Dr Melfi's couch, run through 500 pages of Rorschach splatters and get a clean bill of health before going home to listen to a system littered with GHz ultratweeters, intelligent chips and the like... 

Then again, that's probably what most people would think if confronted with any of the systems here :-)

cheers
cv

cv wrote:

There was some anniversary issue of TAS recently where the editor praised Pearson for his contributions to audio criticism, citing his creation of a standard vocabulary as a highlight. WHAT?! What better way to emaciate any independent thought on the matter? Gives people with nothing original to say, or who lack the confidence to say something new the ability to belong to the club. Was Groucho ever right... Worse, half of these terms, well, I still have no idea what they mean. And I suspect there are all sorts out for whom terms like "speed" or "transparency" mean different things, not that I've ever used these terms meself. If you are describing sound in language that a normal, uncorrupted person couldn't understand then what's the point? I also find it disturbing when otherwise intelligent people lap this BS up and adopt it as mantra. Disturbing because if you listen intently, you can hear the faint echo of the times when the herd went fully mad. This is where I can see Romy's point about audio being about people.  I suspect the most *dangerous* ones are the ones could spend 2 years on Dr Melfi's couch, run through 500 pages of Rorschach splatters and get a clean bill of health before going home to listen to a system littered with GHz ultratweeters, intelligent chips and the like...  Then again, that's probably what most people would think if confronted with any of the systems here :-)

I think the vocabulary that Audio people use is juts the "lighting" that persuaded that drunk man to search his keys were he did not loos them. The Pearson (and alike, although I do not know him personally) needs to promote something. They need "something" tangible and quantifiable, or saying abstractedly they need a product or a notion that industry might be built around. A quality of sound reproduction projected to the auditable benefits of played music could not be a product of audio industry because there ARE NO listener's benefits from most of hi-fi equipment. The “Pearsons” might not understand it but they certainly feel subconsciously that 99.9% of audio solutions do not deliver better sound (from the perspective of REAL listener benefits) then a regular consumer "table radio". So, they created the “drunk man lighting” - or this own totally unrelated coordinate system of assessments that they implanted into the poor audiophile’s brains, Then they use that "implanted gateway" as a tunneling VPN to reach /shake the audiophile's prejudges and to remote-manage them.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

Allo,

Couldn't agree more. The analogy I would think of is of a cartographer stuggling to earn a living after voluntarily checking himself into solitary confinement in a nuthouse...

What I'm unsure of is how many of the false prophets have truly bought into it, and how many of them (like the manufacturer you mentioned) are fully conscious of what they're doing. I think HP may be more honest than most and reading between the lines it's evident he has realised he's been barking up the wrong tree...

A good illustrations was given by Harley in a show report, when he mentioned that the AG Trios have communicative abilities he simply didn't get from any other speakers...a few brief sentences on the matter and then back to b/s as usual...

cheers
cv

clarkjohnsen wrote:

OK, sure -- but why do they "need" that? Mainly, to indulge readers, who demand a vocabulary and tangible numbers. You and me can go along merrily discussing what we hear and make ourselves understandable, but the vast majority of yokels out there seem to need fixed verbal pegs to hang onto. I don't blame the writers.

Unquestionably the writers address the demands and write for a lower possible consumer denominator. This is kind of the rule of mass-propaganda that even Adolph Hitler so brilliantly addressed in his “Mein Kampf”: “All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be.” Isn’t it ironic that when we talk about the audio industry we use Hitler as a methodology provider? So, from this prospective writers should not be blamed.

However, Hazrat Inayat Khan in his “Mysticism of Sound and Music” did suggested that while tasting food it is possible to detect what was in the head of the cook when he was cooking. So, looking at the INTENTIONS of the writers/reviewers and looking at thier strategic goals it is very simple to detect that the have no noble goals. Well, was the reason why they were hired - juts because they are able to writhe ONLY what they are writing? Have you seen alternative attempts by writers to introduce any alternative or more civilized “language”?  Few years ago Likhnitsky made the only public attempt by introducing his book “New methods of Audio Evaluation for Playback”. No mater how superficial the book was but it was 4345 light-years ahead of whatever the Stereophools writhe. Unfortunately he is an isolated Russian jerk who is going to nowhere besides exercising his restricted ego and his attempts went to nowhere.  Only because he is a jerk it went to nowhere? Not realy.

Could the Likhnitsky-like introduction of new semantic and new language to be successful in today’s Audio? I personally do not think so and should the book was available then it would not have any readers. I told before and I am saying again: the answers about Audio could not be found in Audio. Therefore the entire audio industry, as an organized social institution, is no only unnecessary by evillish.

So, blame the writers? Yes, Blame them! Anyone who becomes the Audio writer is a conformist to the industry's "rules of the engagement" and this is very much two way street…. the writers pollute the industry with their doodles and the industry provides to the writers the UNAVOIDABLE feedback of personal moronization.

Rgs.
Romy the Cat

clarkjohnsen wrote:

Although I do wish somebody would come out with a translation of Likhnitsky.

I do not think that it would be such an interesting event. I doubt that you for instance, will be able to find in the book anything that you would not know. From a different prospective the 99.9999999% of the audio people out there will not find it worth reading or even comprehendible. For instance that Kwame Ofori-Asante (from your article “Reality Redux”) will be looking at the some of the Likhnitsky references and spinning his 8843th  CD of “a female voice with small saxophone and  large drums” he will be scratching his head and thinking “What tha f..!” From the same article, the Bill "Doc" Gaw will be rapidly employing the Likhnitsky’s “New methods…” reviewing new garbage-audio within the pages of the “Enjoy His Music”. And of course ,the “estimable” Steve Klein will be working with his Jewish-calculator trying to figure out how to wrap up the Likhnitsky’s methods into his “reseller BS” and how to milk a few more dollars out of methodology that I am sure he will not be able to understand. 

Likhnitsky kind of close to Peter Qvortrup and he, for whatever reasons, kisses the Peter’s ass with a force of the Hurricane Katrina. Peter is not fool and he well understands that he can quite profitably cash out  the some of the Likhnitsky ideas, if they would be wrapped up properly. So, a few years ago Peter commissioned someone to translate the book “New methods…” (This is actual not a book but a brochure of sub-100 pages). However, knowing how much Peter agreed to paid for the translation job and knowing the semantic complexity of the subject I am convinced that he will end up with nothing. I told to Peter that to get anything useful from the book it should be translated by someone like me and it should cost at least 20-30 times more then he agreed to pay for the translation job. Anyhow, he promised me that when he finish to work he will send me a couple dozens of the copies, so I would give you one. Still, I do not think that it might be done by the by Peter's efforts…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat