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alexd
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Post #: 51
Post ID: 9215
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Saying it, I do aknowledge and understand...
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Your point is well taken.
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12-21-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 52
Post ID: 9232
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How to slow the CD readers.
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I still feel that computer CD readers are not good but I do it might not be ONLY their fault. Most of the today machines have CD-Rom that juts spin too fast and it is imposable to make a CD-Rom to read at 1x speed. There is many custom softwares that restrict CD-Rom speed. Jessie, if you read your CD with computer then can you try something like this?

http://discrotate.sourceforge.net/index.html

It shell be quite a help. I do not use MAC but the similar tools on PS I remember helped a lot.

The Cat


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12-21-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
ghpicard
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Post #: 53
Post ID: 9234
Reply to: 9232
Computer CD readers were made to read data and not audio
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Hi Romy,
   IMO, the reason for you to get that feeling is that from the beginning they were made to read data and not audio, thus some jitter was (and is) not considered an issue, as soon as it can be corrected.
The internal CD drive audio out (analog and sometimes SPDIF too) should not be considered a good quality one exactly by that reason, as it was built in just to provide some multimedia capabilities to the units.
On the subject of the thread, the computer just reads whatever amounts it has been set up to buffer from the CD (many times it corrects the data in a transparent way) and then writes it to the HDD under control of the program (EAC, for example). On playing the file, the USB DAC has a clock of its own and thus it is its jitter and not that of the CD reader that you will hear/feel.

Why do you suppose that by reading at 1X will yield better results when ripping / sending data to USB ?

Regards
   Gastón
12-22-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
jessie.dazzle


Paris, France
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Post #: 54
Post ID: 9236
Reply to: 9232
Putting the proper spin on it
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Romy wrote :

"...Jessie, if you read your CD with computer then can you try something like this?

http://discrotate.sourceforge.net/index.html..."


Yes
I can try it, but I don't know if it will work on the drives where I store music files, as it is an external RAID arrangement, connected via Fire Wire 800.

In theory, apart from reduced wear and noise, I'm not sure that slowing the HDD would have any beneficial effect (in my case, the HDDs are all but noiseless).

My understanding is that chunks of data are collected from the spinning HDD, and then go into a buffer (temporary storage) until called upon. High access speeds and a large buffer will allow the process of data collection "to get further ahead". Data is then called out of the buffer as needed, and is eventually fed to the DAC. Slowing the HDD would logically result in less use of the buffer.

I see the handling of buffered data as similar to that which might occur in devices not having a spinning HDD. I have never experimented with devices that use only flash memory in place of a mechanical HDD (the new Mac AirBooks for example).

Btw, my RAID arrangement is configured such that it allows the computer to distribute data over all drives, which results in high access speeds. No, I don't know if this is necessarily desirable. Furthermore, should one of the drives take a dump, it will effectively wipe out the entire library (meaning that backing it up somewhere else is a must).

On another note : I realize that it is not the same thing as slowing the HDD, but the iTunes interface does allow the user to specify the speed at which data is imported/encoded... I have tried importing CDs at various speeds, right down to 1 X ; I notice no difference in quality. I have not however tried this with "Error Correction" option defeated (to access this option : iTunes > Preferences > Advanced > Importing > Check the "Use error correction" box... Default is un-checked).

For info : "According to a quick bit of research", 1 X speed for CDs = 500 rpm at center and 200 rpm on the outside.

jd*



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02-24-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
London
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Post #: 55
Post ID: 9895
Reply to: 9236
Extracting data from a CD
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As I mentioned in a previous post, I use EAC with a Plextor drive (with the cache bypassed) to extract data from a CD.

I have now made a consistent observation that I thought some of you would be interested in:

If I extract a new CD that has never been played before, I get a faster extraction speed than if it has been played before. This is true, even if a CD has been played just once (and has no observable scratches, fingerprints etc).

Furthermore, the 'audiophile' CD treatments that I have (bought in the days when I thought they actually improved the sound!) all slow the extraction speeds.

These results may only apply when bypassing the cache - I don't have the time or inclination to experiment using the cache.

For those of you with a Plextor, I highly recommend bypassing the cache. Do this by including '-usefua' in the command-line...

Mani.
02-24-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 56
Post ID: 9896
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Ten Questions about Computer Audio
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Here is an excellent article in Positive Feedback by Dave Clark about the current options in the fields of Computer Audio

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue41/ca_intro.htm

Dave interviewed 13 designers with surprisingly reasonable questions. I would like also to see among the interviewees Dan Lavry,  Ed Meitner, Michael Ritter and Pflash Pflaumer. Also, I would like those big shots of digital industry to use their pull to make more Hi-Res raw files available as today audio people foolishly copy 16-bit CDs to this music severer and consider that it is how it shall be…

Anyhow, the Positive Feedback’s article is very good.

The caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
02-24-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
London
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Post #: 57
Post ID: 9898
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I disagree with Charles Hansen
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Very interesting!

(Didn't realise Firewire was doomed.)

Not a lot of mention of ASIO or WASAPI... although these are alluded to when talking about bit perfect playback.

I disagree with Charles Hansen who states, "[EAC] slows things down drastically, so you are probably better off just using some other program and setting it to rip at 4x or something like that." This is NOT true if you bypass the cache of the drive.

Mani
02-24-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
jessie.dazzle


Paris, France
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Post #: 58
Post ID: 9905
Reply to: 9898
EAC, Mr. Hansen etc.
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Yes, excellent.

And looong.

manisandher wrote :

"...I disagree with Charles Hansen who states, "[EAC] slows things down drastically, so you are probably better off just using some other program and setting it to rip at 4x or something like that." This is NOT true if you bypass the cache of the drive..."

Technically I might agree with manisandher; we might not be “better off” using another application.

However, in defense of Mr. Hansen (Ayre Acoustics), lets assume we want to rip a CD using EAC (or any other application with error correction) : It takes time to verify that data is or is not corrupt, and if corrupt, then more time to analyze and rewrite a corrected version of the data. During this interval, data is normally cached. When this is no longer an option (as with cache bypassed), unless the data is going to be stored (cached) in system ram, or temporarily written to the HDD (unlikely), the only alternative would be slowing down the information gathering… In other words, slowing down the rip speed.

I think that was Mr. Hansen’s point.

Depending on the systems capacity to multitask, EAC may not slow gathering all the way down to 4X.

The comments regarding EAC aside, I very much appreciated the candid nature of Hansen’s comments.

I made a point of comparing the different positions taken on preferred data transport interface (the first question)… And then, while bearing the expressed position in mind, I attempted to weigh the BS factor throughout the remainder of the interviewee's comments.

jd*


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02-25-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
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Post #: 59
Post ID: 9906
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Ripping and playback software is important
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Not all the designers actually mention specific programs, but most seem to agree about the importance of the ripping and playback software.

 jessie.dazzle wrote:

Depending on the systems capacity to multitask, EAC may not slow gathering all the way down to 4X.
jd*


One of the real advantages of EAC is its error correction capabilities on scratched CDs. But anyone who has tried to rip a badly scratched CD (I've experienced this many times with my wife's CDs), will know that it can take forever, with EAC reducing the speed way down to 0.1x if required! In the past, with very bad CDs, I have just given up and hit 'skip track'...

... which sort of defeats the point of using EAC in the first place!

One of the reasons it slows down so drastically is that the cache of the drive complicates things massively. But by bypassing the cache, you can increase the error correction speed drastically. Even with 'new' CDs, the average rip time is decreased by 3-5 times by bypassing the cache.

I only know how to bypass the cache on Plextor drives. Even here, there is inconsistency between models and you would have to check yourself whether everything is working properly.

 Romy the Cat wrote:

Also, I would like those big shots of digital industry to use their pull to make more Hi-Res raw files available as today audio people foolishly copy 16-bit CDs to this music severer and consider that it is how it shall be…
The caT


I totally agree.

In any event, until hi-res raw downloads become more available, what choice is there right now other than to do the best job we can with ripping the CDs we enjoy? Assuming that we don't have a great FM station close by broadcasting the live music that we love...

Mani.
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jp
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Post #: 60
Post ID: 10152
Reply to: 9200
External power supply for DAW
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I was looking into the power supply situation with my DAW and was wondering what viable options exist out there.  Currently, I am using an internal 600w pc power and cooling unit.  Apparently there arent many out there.  One I found was the xg magnum 600 external power supply but it looks like the company may be out of business...Anyone care to share their experience?
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 61
Post ID: 10153
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The sonically approved computer powers supply?
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 jp wrote:
I was looking into the power supply situation with my DAW and was wondering what viable options exist out there.  Currently, I am using an internal 600w pc power and cooling unit.  Apparently there arent many out there.  One I found was the xg magnum 600 external power supply but it looks like the company may be out of business...Anyone care to share their experience?

That is very good question but the one the unfortunately has no answers. I use one of the biggest Magnum external fanless power supplies, presuming that if they are not better sonically but at least they remove a lot of heat and a lot of filed noise from a computer enclosure.

However, would I consider it as a good solution? Certainly not. The Magnum and any other PS for PC are essentially very cheap impulse power supply. The biggest question is if any better or other TYPE of power supply would be beneficial to drive DAW – that is THE question. Unfortunately I have no answer and I did not see anybody else seriously observe this subject. I have to admit that it is difficult subjects to observe as DAW in different hands do say many different thighs the it is very hard to say anything defiantly…

Still, I would be welcome to some kind of Aftermarket Company that would offer “sonically approved” computer powers supply – a great market for somebody and I am sure that soon or later we will see something like this available.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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decoud
United Kingdom
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Post #: 62
Post ID: 10156
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Commonality of power
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What is the reason for not building one's own? There is nothing special about computer power supplies, is there, one just has to provide DC with the correct parameters, no? You could run a motherboard off the Milq...
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jessie.dazzle


Paris, France
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Post #: 63
Post ID: 10157
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Home brewed power supply for music server
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Seems totally doable to me; you'd just need 12 and 5 volt DC output having adequate current delivery, and a few Molex connectors.

Having said that, I notice no difference when switching to battery when using a laptop model to run the external drive of my music server setup, but this is possibly because power may be routed "through" the battery even with the transformer connected.

jd*


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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 64
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I think it is different.
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 jessie.dazzle wrote:
Having said that, I notice no difference when switching to battery when using a laptop model to run the external drive of my music server setup, but this is possibly because power may be routed "through" the battery even with the transformer connected.
Actually it is not indicative as the power supplies that comes with laptops are regular linear power supplies, not the impulse power supplies. I think the key might be to get rig those switching power supplies. At least if we do so then the DAW would be OK to plug right along with the rest playback as it will injecting noise back to the power lines.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 65
Post ID: 10160
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The people who have to do it must do it.
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 decoud wrote:
What is the reason for not building one's own? There is nothing special about computer power supplies, is there, one just has to provide DC with the correct parameters, no? You could run a motherboard off the Milq...

Generally, yes, it shell be very simple power supplies with no switching dirt insider and Hi-Fi people might use way better sounding stabilizers then people use in computers. The computer people use switching supplies just because it is cheaper, less space and less heat, no other reasons. You will not find a liner aftermarket PS for PC – I was looking it for a few years. It would not be difficult to build one but I do not plane to install my own DIY projects. I will tolerate the coming conversion of MF channel of Milq to DHT and it will be as far as I will go because no one else will be able to do it for me. To build a typical PS for PC is too generic task for me to make my hand dirty and other shall do it, the professionals – I would just buy it, try and see how it works.  Unfortunate no one look at that direction… Like in many other directions…

Lately the Music Servers got a lot of momentum and a lot of popularity but I am in contrary very disappointed with what going on with Music Servers and with the people who use them. But this is another subject…

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
06-16-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
jessie.dazzle


Paris, France
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Post #: 66
Post ID: 10799
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Best sounding version of iTunes
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Is it possible that there are better and worse sounding versions of iTunes?

Since 2004 I've been using iTunes together with a Mac computer and the very addictive Wavelength Cosecant DAC as the main source "component" in a system consisting of horns driven by SET amps (for further info see the Jessie Dazzle Project thread).
 
I've been upgrading iTunes all along, and tonight I installed the latest version (V8.2). 
 
The newly installed version crashed repeatedly; wouldn't even open (presented an error message saying something about an inability to recognize my library), this after several uninstall/reinstalls.
 
I know I could have made it work, but since the previous iTunes update had also given me trouble (some CDs not recognized when loaded for importation, and then impossible to eject!), I decided enough was enough, and reverted to an older version which did not have these issues (V7.7 to be precise).  
 
The additional features in V8x are of no interest to me. I use iTunes to deliver 44.1/16HKz music files to the DAC... I don't use it or the computer for anything else. (BTW, if you listen to classical, the "Genius" feature in V8 is 100% useless).
 
So on to the point :

I reinstalled V7.7, and here I am listening to it, and... I'm certain that what I'm now hearing sounds better than what I'd been hearing for the past few months (or more). A lot better!
  
Has anyone else has had a similar experience with iTunes?

jd*


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jessie.dazzle


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Post #: 67
Post ID: 10800
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"Official Response"
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I did a search on "best sounding version of itunes" and found the following :

Posted 02-23-2009 on the AudiogoN forum - Ehider wrote :

"...there have been slight variations in the sound of iTunes. Some of the updates (but not all by any means) actually added a slight improvement in high frequency reproduction and better harmonic texturethroughout the entire frequency range. Nothing major mind you, but better for sure. The best part of iTunes is that the LATEST offerings seem to always be the best sounding i.e. just make sure you have the latest variant..."

"...BTW: I should state that the above improvements in iTunes are not necessarily evident unless you are using a USB connected, non-SPIDF DAC with serious high end electronics, very transparent speakers and premium USB cabling i.e. SPDIF connectivity and/or budget minded gear downward in the system chain could absolutely marginalize sonic differences between all of the iTunes variations..."


Uhhh (!).

jd*


 


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06-17-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
tuga


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Post #: 68
Post ID: 10808
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A music player for iTunes
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Hi jd*,


Have you tried this music player that uses iTunes for "asset acquisition, storage and playlist management"?

http://www.sonicstudio.com/amarra/index.html

I've read good things about it.The UI is uglier than a old goat, though...

Cheers,
Tuga


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coops
London, United Kingdom
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Post #: 69
Post ID: 10811
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Dem in Munich
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I heard a demonstration of the software ,versus standard itunes in Munich, I thought it a significant improvement, more texture to the sound, more space around individual components, and the auto sample rate sensing is useful.
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jessie.dazzle


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Post #: 70
Post ID: 10816
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Amarra; I'll try it the day afta tomarra
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Thanks to both of you for your responses; I didn't know of this software. Very intersting... I'm definitly going to download the demo trial and see how it compares.

Probably won't get to it before the weekend; I whipped myself into an all-night OCD lather trying to get iTunes to re-associate the once meticulously sorted album illustrations with half a TB of music files. Total nightmare! Need a day or two to recover; plus I want to first get the sound of the "new" old version of iTunes firmly in my head.

I'll post a follow-up here once I've had a chance to compare.

You're right Tuga; that is one horsey looking user interface!

jd*


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Markus
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Post ID: 10818
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Must have been convincing
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 coops wrote:
I heard a demonstration of the software ,versus standard itunes in Munich, I thought it a significant improvement, more texture to the sound, more space around individual components, and the auto sample rate sensing is useful.


Did you become a dealer on the strength of that demo?
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coops
London, United Kingdom
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Post #: 72
Post ID: 10819
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Markus Hi
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Short answer yes, the auto sample rate sensing, dithered volume and eq are useful features , the Metric halo/ Sonic Studio Model 4 is also a cracking adc/dac.
But yes primarily the sound, did you get a chance to listen to Amarra at Flemings? Keith.
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jessie.dazzle


Paris, France
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Post #: 73
Post ID: 10820
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Amarra : Supported Audio Formats and $
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In digging through the support section of the Amarra Music Player web page, and finally ending up on the FAQ, http://www.sonicstudio.com/amarra/faq.html I came upon this :

Supported Audio Formats

NOTE: Amarra only supports uncompressed PCM files (AIFF, WAV, BWF). Future updates will include support for FLAC and Apple Loseless

This is a big deal for me; As a younger moron, I started off importing all files as Apple lossless, using error checking/correction. To this day, I cannot hear even the slightest difference when comparing the lossless version to the AIFF version; nevertheless, for my own mental hygene, I now wish I'd elected to import as straight AIFF files using error correction.

Keith, since you are an official dealer, can you tell us :
   
   1 : When can we expect this software to recognize files stored in lossless format such as those by FLAC and Apple ?
   
   2 : How much does it cost (an approximate figure is fine)? Nowhere on the web site is there any mention of price.
   
   3 : How long does the demo version last before requiring that one purchase the product?


Thanks,

jd*


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coops
London, United Kingdom
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Jessie
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Jessie Hi, re question 1, drop Jon a line at Sonic, he is far better placed to advise you on the addition of new codecs and hardware , the 'early adopter' software is I believe $1000, there is a demo version but it cuts out after 30 seconds which is annoying, ask Jon for a loan of the full production software, be interested to hear your opinion, Keith.
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Thanks for the reply
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Kieth,

Thanks for the speedy reply; I'll contact Sonic directly. I'm very much looking forward to this.

jd*


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