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Romy the Cat


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Now it looks even more promising!
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 JJ Triode wrote:
I'm not sure if the Salamander-style rack (wooden shelves supported by nuts and washers on threaded rods) will support 800 pounds, but if you put heavier items near the bottom then a wide heavy-duty version might be fine.

Hm, I was thinking that the topmost shelf of custom size I will make with two glued ¾ sheets of plywood. Holding on 3” washers upon 4x5/8 metal rod will be fine. Do not forget that it will be vertically positioned metal rods. I think if I be able to mount the rods flat at the bottom then it will be stable. I think I would need to make custom metal feet with 5/8 female thread and very accurately equalize ten by heights… The idea to place the Pure Power and the rest supporting thing in basement is kind of brilliant. I have no idea why I did not think about it before.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Quantity of rods
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I would suggest using 3 x 1" metal rods instead of 4. It is *way* easier to adjust to get the shelves horizontal, and as a plus you get an "artsy" look.
I am using flat bottom steel rods supported on small granite slabs with bronze coins and a thin layer of PVC glue to isolate from the wood "parquet" floor and not to destroy it. The coins go on top and in contact with the rods, then the coins are glued to the granite pieces and then comes the floor.

I have already made 2 racks (one for the audio equipment and another one for the LED TV, Playstation and other stuff) inspired in the TNT FlexyTables (http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/flexye.html) and they don't fail to deliver.
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decoud
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Avoiding diagonals
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Diagonals are hard to make attractive in any design: you can avoid them by using plates where a diagonal buttress is required. Have a look at the way Dieter Rams did it in his bookshelf geometry, now marketed by vitsoe (https://www.vitsoe.com/gb/606).
Might also be an idea to use carbon fibre tube rather than metal. Better damping characteristics, and intrinsically black. 
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Romy the Cat


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Audio Housecleaning 2.0
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Over the course of last 3 weekends I went over heavy domesticated labor. Trying condense the household audio presents in order to get more space. It turn out that babies not only consume space but they produce enormous amount of residual item and now the house is suffocated with bassinets, chairs, clothes that Thomas is grew up. Yep, the baby is juts 5 month but he have already grew up from the clothes that in space equivalent of ¼ side 30Hz horn. Yes, my wify has an appetite to this sort of things and she feels that if baby ware a set pans or jackets twice then “they will not take him to Harvard”. I think Thomas now has more shew then I do and he is juts 5 month!!! 
 
Anyhow, I revised my audio “possessions” and decided to do some cleaning. Ironically I did not trash a lot of thing but rather condensed the storage and I….discovered a two rooms in my house. One room that I will be building and remodeling during the next month will be quest bedroom/play room and another room will be a full-size table tennis room – a subject of my wet dream for years. 
 
The most interesting in my condensing ceremony was to view all of those boxed and to examine the evidenced of my audio projects that I undertook in my past. It was a very interesting trip in my memory lanes: all those 7788 phonostages, the headphone amps, the preamps, the power amps, the signal processors, a number of testers and many other things. Did I mention the drivers? I do think that I might get rid of many of my “possessions” and I do not see myself to use them. Not that I have no interest in using them but rather I would like to have my “usage” to be more practical. For instance I have a number of 1930s Telefunken electromagnet drivers. They do sound good in very narrow range of criteria but I truly do not feel that I will even be satisfy to build anything more practical with them.  I see a huge number of different “devises” that I own that are very good from a single performance or sentimental values but that do not really feet on my holistic and practical audio views. So, I think that time of barn fire will not be coming but I will be slowly getting rid of some of my “accumulated audio possessions”. I do not feel bad about it quite opposite: I feel that I could now to achieve higher quality of balance between “things”, “feelings” and “expirence”.
 

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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That's not fair!
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Thanks, guys. They were quite valuable recommendations. I wonder how would I feel if Thomas what he begin to talk would inform me that I shall not have more than 3 tonearms on my turntable or more than 3 pressing of my favorite records…


Think of it as not playing more that three records at the same time. That would be like playing with three toys. But keep the baby scape uncluttered and he will grow up more organized.
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Romy the Cat


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Speakers do not like boxes…
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…not only because Sound but also because “no boxes” is good for storage. I mean it. One of the greatest space compression idea that I experienced this weekend was that if I trash the driver boxes and pile them in chessboard order then I can get …extra room in my house, and not just a room but a room where I can play a full-fledged table tennis. Well, I hope that my next revelation will be not the one that advise me to find even more space by disposing the record’s covers and sleeves.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Discrimination?
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Speakers don't like boxes…not only because Sound but also because “no boxes” is good for storage. I mean it. One of the greatest space compression idea that I experienced this weekend was that if I trash the driver boxes and pile them in chessboard order then I can get …extra room in my house, and not just a room but a room where I can play a full-fledged table tennis. Well, I hope that my next revelation will be not the one that advise me to find even more space by disposing the record’s covers and sleeves.


So what you are saying is that one box doesn't like another different box? And one kind of "storage" is good and one is bad?
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Romy the Cat


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Vertical configuration
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Goods, I did not realize that it would be SO complicated to convert my equipment in vertical configuration. My entire house looks like after WW2 for two weeks and even my cleaning lady asked me if I am OK. I will post later what I end up with, I think in week or so I will be able to connect the things. I generally like the direction I went, it is like driving a van – ridicules but super comfortable and convenient.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Impresive !
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Hi,this is my first post here. This is a very interesting site indeed, congratulations.I found this photo and I'm really impressed with this stand design: is exactly what I'm looking for: 
stand.JPG

would you please give me more information about it?, is custom made?thanks in advance
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Romy the Cat


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Did you read the site?
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 jorsan wrote:
Hi,this is my first post here. This is a very interesting site indeed, congratulations.I found this photo and I'm really impressed with this stand design: is exactly what I'm looking for. would you please give me more information about it?, is custom made?thanks in advance

Lorsan, if you read thread then a few post up there is post of mine "Finding peace...." from which you can conclude who made the rack. Rick still in business, in fact I spoke with him a month ago or so.

Rgs, Romy the Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Contact
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thanks, how can I contact him?
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Company's name is Rixrax
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I do not know whether it is allowed to post contact details of commercial entities (especially when they can be so easily found) but the company in question, Rixrax, is very easy to find:


http://www.rixrax.com/


The company's contact details can be found there as well.



Glad you found something of interest on this website. It might have been interesting to know what it is about this design that appealed to you so much and how it compares with solutions you have tried in the past. I have tried BCD audio, Wilson Benesch, Atacama, Elemental Audio and Arcici with varying degrees of success, none of them unqualified. In my opinion, your best bet, if you have the inclination and time, is to design your own so it will function exactly as you intend given your system requirements (and ought to be considerably cheaper than the starting price of the Rixrax which starts at around $4000 if I read correctly). By the way, I think that Romy also uses some specific air suspended isolation for his turntable and that not all turntables will respond in the same way to his chosen solution here.


Good luck.


Rakesh

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jorsan
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Stand
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Thanks for the information and you are right, maybe design it in accordance with my requirements will be the best option. I never spend much money in stands and I consider is time to do so ... will keep you updated.  
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Romy the Cat


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Requirements for a NEW listening room?
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Well, I need to admit that with arriving Thomas and to a degree with adopting Amy my relationship with my listening room have changed. It is not the relationship change but the volume that listening room occupies in my daily practice. I very much have interest and desire to deal with listening room in the way how I dealt before but nowadays I am not always have physical or psychological liberty to do so. It might be what all dads’ experience, I do not know but I do know that taking care of my little child gives me much pleasure that I would like do not miss. I do not feel that spending my time with baby conflicts with my audio interests, the baby is always wins and I have zero frustration about it. Thomas is 10 months and he rust recently got converted from a vegetable to more or less adequately behaving infant and it gives an opportunity  to stop extinguish day-to-day fires, elevate myself at 60.000 feet up and look at the picture of my listening room wider. 
 
So, where am I standing? Nowadays we are working on our second baby and Amy is conceiving a notion of moving. The current house is getting a bit smaller then we would like to have with 30% of space taken by my audio and 40% is taken by Thomas toys. So, the idea to move is not particularly out of realms of rational. We do want to keep the current house and we both love it, represent a good investment and we would not mind to rent it out and then return here back in 20 years when kinds leave.  There is no doubt in our mind that we will pursue in any new home a concept of “listening room”, the question that I am asking myself is what that new model would be and how much I am willing to go to implement  this concept. 
 
My current listening room is rendition of notion that a listening room should be integrated with house main leaving room and ugly audio ingredients of playback (midbass horns) need to be taken out of way of living. What I have done was very good and now the question I ask if I would like to repeat the success in a new home. Well, this is a bit complicated. First of all I would like to have my Listening room, Living room and Opera room to be integrated. Thankfully Amy does not consider my speakers,  amps and the rest of it to look ugly and their presents in living room does not bother her at all, in fact she semi-likes it. So, the main question I ask myself at this stage of strategizing would be the following: would I like to have integrated Listening room, Living room and Opera room as the ONLY Living room in the house or I would go for integrated Listening, Living and Opera rooms as second house’ Living room? 
 
I certainly do not want to have a “dedicated room” and I do want my family spend time with me in the new listening room but if my new listening room is a second living room in a house then I would have some liberty to make audio objectives a more dominating and it goes a long way with acoustic treatment, selection of surface finishing, picking furniture and dealing with many other aspect of décor. 
 
The project of moving is not on pipeline for a couple of hears but I do want to find a peace with my own hear regarding my new listening room objectives.


Rgs, Romy the Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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End of life headphone system
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Well, I need to admit that with arriving Thomas and to a degree with adopting Amy my relationship with my listening room have changed. It is not the relationship change but the volume that listening room occupies in my daily practice. I very much have interest and desire to deal with listening room in the way how I dealt before but nowadays I am not always have physical or psychological liberty to do so. It might be what all dads’ experience, I do not know but I do know that taking care of my little child gives me much pleasure that I would like do not miss.
 
Rgs, Romy the Cat


Hmm do you mean there are things more important than soundstage depth?
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Romy the Cat


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Something like this?
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https://youtu.be/aznNv9lDjtA

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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The "Second Living Room"
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The "second [living] room" idea has proven to be a good thing, if you can find a house that is big enough, with large rooms that are configured to make this work for you. Cost wise, it is better to find something already built than it is to build new to suit, but the latter gives the opportunity to get the electricity done properly, etc. If looking with the idea of adding on, be very sure before you buy that you will, indeed, be able to add on like you wish to. For many years now, one may not simply "add on", willy-nilly, for a host of reasons. Anyway, my present, not-large listening room is in this sort of room, and I like this about it very much... most of the time. There are time when I would listen, but I can't, reasonably; but overall, I would not isolate my listening just to get more listening opportunities.

Best regards,
Paul
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Mixing urban & suburban
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Very cute video.

As you have lived both in the city and in the suburbs, you should have a reasonable view on the advantages and disadvantages of each.

- As a general rule, a city apartment provides fantastic access to culture, music, people, restaurants, libraries, shopping, etc., all easily accessible by walking or a great metro system. Core disadvantages are smaller dwellings and close neighbors.

- On the other hand, suburban houses provide the option of very large dwellings, large yards and significant distance from neighbors. Some call it a "flight" from crime and grime; a loaded word which has generated decades of tears and heartaches in Boston. A key price of suburbia is reduced access to the world and the "joy" of commuting (and all the time and money that involves.)

Boston and the surrounding suburbs suffer from decrepit infrastructure as the region continues its long spiral downwards into irrelevance, so the general rules are a bit more complex here.

My personal view is that you should be careful of mixing the disadvantages of the city with the disadvantages of the suburbs. If you choose to live in the suburbs, then take full advantage of the space available and build a dedicated listening room to your specifications.

Why compromise?
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Late night listening
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I love late night listening sessions, low volume but still enough to wake up kids. Most surely they will wake up and cuddle next to you while you are listening, you will have this great image of your kid falling asleep on your lap through the whole left over movements from Holst´s Planets, but a moment later you see a perfectly awaken little face in front of yours with a big smile! Now you´ve broken his biological clock and he will jump around and play until 4 am. when he will go back to sleep, you will think he will sleep until noon next day, but oh no. 6 am he is up again as always! And you are beaten. He will of course have a long nap at 5 pm and wake up at 9 pm, ready for school...

3 car garage seems wonderful, but hard to find, I settled for a big 2 car garage...

Now the dedicated listening room is not out of bounds for kids, I made the mistake of putting in a projector and we had a great time watching movies with the big sound when they were very little and we couldn't go out to the movies, but as they grow, they now want to watch their cartoons in there and Space Buddies for the 11th time, to the point that you are not allowed in your music room anymore. Once they discover Ipads and minecraft, they will go and hide in any corner and you will never know they exist anymore...
I would say the best compromise is to have a nice sound system in the living room, with all the rejects form your dedicated listening room, still a very good system and use it to play your music for dinner, with a projector and Iphone ports, Tidal, etc and you will have a great time with your kids. Once the movie is over and they go to sleep, you go out to your dedicated listening room and have some adult time with vinyl...
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Moving life...
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Romy, just change your speakers:http://www.dc10audio.com/#!gottenburg-odin/cfg
I'm joking but are you willing to duplicate your existing system in a new home? Those midbass horns?
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Well, let see how it goes....
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 noviygera wrote:
…. are you willing to duplicate your existing system in a new home? Those midbass horns?

 Well, those are exactly the question I ask myself. It is not about my willingness but rather about the whole array of logistical questions around that willingness. What would be the room, what topology of midbass would make sense, how the room would be used and many other questions. Amy did not mind us to build a room from scratch if I do not find what I want. I have all options to consider and not only the proverbial depth of the soundstage. 
 
We very much not there yet, and do not even know if we to move. The breeding of more babies, the accusation of live-in baby and housekeeper and then we will most likely put ourselves on R&E market. Discussing with wify the subject of new listening room (she reads my site regularly) we feel that a solution with two leaving rooms appears more to us: one would be “civilian” and one is listening/video family room. I do wonder myself if I go in the last one for “interesting”  midbass solution but it would be all depends of the future room specifics. Nowadays I am having fun to wonder what I will be telling to the people who will be renting our current house and how I will explain to them two 40Hz horns built into the house structure. Perhaps I can make stairs to the horn’s mouth and suggest that it is the house 5th bedroom?

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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A true listening room.
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Thomas for sure have some interesting to music or probably to sounds. He sits for quite a while listening his mommy playing. We are convinced if he is attracted the sound of Beethoven quartets or he is fascinated with bows moving but as they say “whatever works”.

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"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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It started…
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I have started: Thomas begin to crawl and like anybody in this family she does with a great amount if compulsion.  His later obsession is wires. Like a night owl see a mouse mile away, He see wire in the very end of room and rush there to pull them out. I need to say the out battle for listening room is lost and he have concurred it with anything staring for his bottle and end with toy cars that are 4 time larger than he is.  His Nanny and us are still mildly resting but toys and baby merchandises are like metastases are coming for from everywhere and spread everywhere. My latest uses is how to protect the audio equipment. 
 
A few month back I decided to get rid of my equipment stand. I had a nice appendix in my listening room with my super-duper equipment stand (in fact it was 3 stands) and over 20 audio element sitting in them. It was very comfortable setup. There was multiple reasons why I desired to kill it. As now the few items of my playback are sitting in 8 feet tall vertical equipment assembly and the location when my equipment stand was serve more civilian objectives. Still, the bottom of this vertical equipment assembly, with all of commutation and power wires along with Milqs and Macondo are well exposed to this little crawling baby who in a month or so will be walking. As any father I very much look forward my son to become to be self-propelling but I have some fear that my audio equipment might be very much kill him.  The listening room is the room where we spend most of the time, so naturally I am concerned. 
 
So, at this point I am inventing a set of fences to circle the whole thing and very soon my slick listening room will be looking as if it was a state penitentiary.  I wonder if any of the dads out there who survived the baby invention in the audio world can give me some tips. I tell you that there is nothing for fan then see little Thomas sticking his head into upper bass horn or playing in the room while Macondo blasting Goldberg Variations. It would be nice if Macondo and Baby would live happy ever after…. 
 
 

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"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Levels of Interest
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Yes, this is a scary time. The fences work OK for a while, but the only long-term solution is "education". My son was simply too rough to ever let him actually use my gear (and at 44, he still is!), but I spent as much time as he wanted showing him things, and then talking about them, At this stage, you can still put things out of his reach. Turn around and blink, he'll be a...teenager. Not all kids retain an interest in these things; but it's a good idea to try to give them the basic information before they get to the point where they can get around your obstructions. We never worried that our youngsters "could not understand" us. We treated them like babies in terms of basic safety, and we tried to take their limitations into account; but we always gave them credit for being intelligent.



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Post ID: 22063
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Eliminate "low-probability / catastrophic" events
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As time passes, I find myself becoming more risk adverse; that is, actively avoiding risk.

These days I try removing the "low-probability / catastrophic" scenarios that, as a teenager, I ignored or was oblivious to. Like running across a busy street outside the zebra lines.

Humans have a tendency to overestimate themselves and underestimate the probability of catastrophe. If that were not the case, we would not see so much destruction of property from the annual "once in a 1000 year storms" or the periodic financial market meltdowns.

In your house, given the bulk of the equipment and amperage running about, an extreme abundance of caution at this stage makes all the sense in the world.
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