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05-22-2012

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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I was thinking about inter-modulations....

Romy the Cat wrote:
Stopped by at local audio friend this Sunday and watch some Brunner, Mahler and Wagner at his HT playback. He has integrated playback installation and video is played at his main system. I am not a fan of good quality of video playback and feel that my cheep Cetla 91 goes good enough to play video but I have to admit that there WAS some added value in his demonstration. I was not impressed by 5-ch sound (am long-standing not supporter of it) and with a few other aspects but for all intended purposes as Wand’s brass blew up during Bruckner 4 then it was very clear that my friend playback presented different definition of gravitas than my Opera Room able to. I have experienced something like audio envy and I said to myself that I want it to be in my home like this.

At this point I do not know what I will be doing. I might try to drive Cetla 91 with a full-range Milq or multi-amp it with Milq and B2. For sure the key in it is that I have no midbass or upperbass channels in Cetla and I am not exactly willing to make them. So, I wonder if I might come up with some kind of solution that would be easy to implement and deliver a sufficient impact. I do think that if I drive Cetla’s MF from SET then it might be more fun, let see how it goes….

I was thinking why the Brass crashes in my friend video system sounded to me so much more appealing then the bass crash in my opera room. I think the part of the answer (beside the “minor” fact that I use noise from ported 416 drivers but the friend of my use a pair of 50Hz straight horns) was the fact the friend of my heavily multiamping his playback. I think he has 4 channels and all of them multi-amped by SETs with active crossover before them. As I told in my “how to play Bruckner in audio” thread I feel that multiamping is very critical for Bruckner as it minimizes intermodulations. I did not detect the advantage in my friend sound during soft notes but as the volume grew the different is noticeable. I do not know how my B2 amp can handle intermodulations and how reactive the Cetla 91 is. I never paid too much attention to B2 sound full range. The temporary consumer grade amp that I was trying to substitute the B2 amplifier was horrible and I put B2 back to the service. Still I very much convinced that there are biter amps out there, particularly to drive compression drivers. I thought that it will not be too visible playing the compromised video sound. Well, apparently I was not correct. I got from my visit a phenomenal trophy – a stunningly interesting Wagner’s Ring production and I would like to make my video room to sound better for the ride over the Ring. It will be my first watching of entire Ring and I would like to make it “special”.

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

10-31-2012

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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A new feel of Opera Room.

Amy turned out to be a fireplace kitten and she spends a lot of time in our opera room, cooking her feet on fire and filing the room with marvelous purring. We were planning to do major Opera Room remodeling this winter but the resent Hurricane Sandy truly inspired me to expedite the remodeling ceremony. While Amy was locked in Portsmouth NH (our second temporary home) during the Hurricane I was locked in the Boston house working on Opera Room remodeling. In addition during the Hurricane we had two large trees fallen done and naturally we have a lot of firewood. So, we are building something like firewood shed and I am learning how to spit wood.

The reality is that the new Opera Room arrangement with Amy furniture turned out to be spectacular. We have large and superbly comfortable seating arrangement, we have even eating area in there, we have a wonderful large screen opportunity and we have very easy conversion of this room into fireplace experience. Surprisingly all the things that we had before but set in new configuration just “clicked” right. The room has that “library” feeling and for whatever reasons it become VERY pleasant to be in the room. I am still working on lighting and final touches but the idea has been already there and I like the result very much. Frankly there is something in that room that makes me to like it even more than my main listening room. For sure it is not sound but a special feeling of comfort, darkness and superb comport that the room has developed. The listening room is large, bright and wide open. The Opera Room, dark, cozy and well balanced in term of space. I do like it now as never before.

The room still has that Cetla 91 acoustic system. It does what it does, not too serious for serious music but at this point it is enough for our background music and movies. I am not working on making my Cetla 91 to sound more stimulating but instead learning how to sharpen the teeth of my chainsaw, what is the difference between maul or ax, and how to use Fiskars, Baileys, Oxheads and Gransfors. We have a lot of wood to cut and I am not exactly the ax operating Jew…

Also, a friend of my recalled his OPPO player and I need to find some kind of new DVD/BlueRay player to replace it. OPPO did wonderful quality of video but the navigation of the dials was horrible. I heard the new model that they are coming will be better. I might go for some consumer units from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic or alike as I a bit sick from horrible loading time and disk administration that more expensive units looks like offer.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

11-04-2012

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mats
Chicago
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The Met on CBS Sunday Morning

CBS had an interesting story this morning on the Live from the Met broadcasts.
To me, most fascinating was the revelation that the director used to work in sitcoms.
A very energetic man, making cuts between the 10 cameras.
His stated that his biggest worry was wether the actors would make their designated marks on the stage......
And I could only think, why must I be coerced of where to rest my gaze?
1 camera, 2 microphones, is it not enough for the art to speak for itself?
Met chief Gelb spoke at length about how a revitalization had been imperative.
I don't doubt that, but at what cost? Mp3's put music in the hands of many......
Now, if they would sell a broadcast on the internet at 1.4Mbps,
a technology demonstrated by KEXP, that could be a treat for the world!

Mats

11-04-2012

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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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'Grats on the remodeled Opera Room

I shall have to come see it. I even liked it before!

11-04-2012

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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Totally agree re: TV

For four decades I have detested that European video style (busy cameras, quick zooms, musically irrelevant shot framing). The BSO's Jordan Whitelaw pioneered the American style -- lots of long shots, and slow cuts. But now it appears that all the Americans have capitulated too. [Sigh]

clark

11-16-2012

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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The Opera Room update.

The Opera Room is turning out to be a really bitch and I am very surprised how this room get transferred from a worthless place in the house to something that we really enjoy. As the new furniture and new sitting arrangement is got developed during the last couple weeks my audio interest is kind of shift in that room. Now I would like to conceal audio elements and keep it as less nerdy as possible. Amy went for library-feel décor and she wants even to cover the walls with wooden panels – not bad idea at all considering that the room is very dark. The projector, screen, speakers, and amplification are there but in the new library-feel room they shell not as prominent.

I replaced the borrowed OPPO with Sony BDPS790. This Sony is consumer-level $250 player that played everything imaginable and looks and feels line a fart. I desired do not spend money for new generation of OPPO and sty for now with chip and convenient consumer player. That toy-like Sony navigate disk 10 times faster and more reliable. Sound-wise – I did not know, I do feel that OPPO was better but I am OK with what it is in the Opera Room…

The caT

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-20-2013

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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Getting in 5 or at least in 3 channels?

I need to say that I do consider the idea of 5.1, 7.1 or any other foolishnesses exists out there for video as… foolishness. It is not that I have my opinion and I agree with it but I have a whole array of well formulated reasons why I feel that 5 channels are very wrong. However, lately I begin to think to put another channel into the game and use 3 front channels. I do not change my mind BUT I do come across more and more films where there is no 2ch sound truck and ONLY 5 channels. To watch the movie that has 5 channels only on a playback that do just right and left channels is not too pleasant. Some films are OK but some that have very extreme 5.1 processing sometime you can’t not hear the voices without center channel. That is so bad. Not that I mind to put a center speaker in use but then I need 5ch decoder and third amplifier. I do much do not want to do it, not to mention that all 3ch amps are crap.

I wonder if exist something like integrated 5ch decoder with a single amp abort? Then I would be able to drive R+L direct as I do not and to run a crappy center channel from 5ch decoder…

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-20-2013

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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Why Keep Fighting It?

It's all about Program, right? What are you mostly watching/listening to? Make it easy on yourself. Look at the Marantz stuff, and do not expect top 2-channel sound quality. Surely, there is comfortable spot between slavish acceptance of inferior sound and determined bucking The System. Why worry about the center speaker, etc., for this application? No doubt, you can make the best of it, just like you did with the "pilot" speakers.

Best regards,
Paul S

03-20-2013

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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Like yoursself...

...I prefer two channels and find them sufficient for all movies. Which means, I've never had trouble with center fill -- all dialog comes out fine on my OPPO(s), as it did with my Sony PS3.

Also good luck finding a decoder with preamp outs.

clark

03-20-2013

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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Another decoder?

You are missing the point, Clark. It is not about me find 2 channels sufficient or not but the exceeding amount of films that do not have both stereo and surround channel tracks but have ONLY 5.1 sound trucks. Sure if I have a choice then I go with regular stereo track but this option not even available. My Blue Ray player has only stereo output and with only 5.1 tracks disks it does not outputs too intelligent sound. The OPPO that I had before I think did have an option to override any surround sound disks and mix it to 2 channels stereo but my current player has no such an option. A decoder with preamp output and HDMI input? That shall be interesting.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-21-2013

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Daniel Trudeau
Montreal
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Preamp

Well, you could go with the Emotiva http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/processors/products/umc200 it has a stereo down-mix output.

03-21-2013

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Bud
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Yet another unwanted direction

You might give some time up to a look through ebay for B&K theater controlling preamps. Truly excellent sound, typical B&K overbuilt construction and very nice prices, since they are now out of business.

09-26-2013

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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The new life of opera room.

Along with last remodeling that we performed in Opera Room the room is becoming more the most pleasant room in our house. In fact we spend now more time then in listening room. We eat there, we watch films there. Sometime we watch TV there. I sleep there when Amy misbehaves. We just love to spend time in there. I caught more than once Amy does her favorite NY time reading or British Mystery watching on her iPad in the Opera Room. I was asking her why she does it there and she say that she love to be in that room. So do I for some reason – it is becoming very comply after the last remodeling.

We change the room drapes, new screen, new carpet, new walls arrangement, put everything in shelves and slightly change furniture position. Amy is dreaming to cover the walls and ceiling in oak veneer along with running rusticated beams on the ceiling, I am not against it still am looking for the wood that I would like.

I sometimes thinking that with all comfort that we are build in the Opera Room I might think to get better sound as I stent too much time in that room. There are other 2 reasons. First is that it is SS amp room and not too demanding to turn it on and off. The second reasons is that despite that my main audio installation produces incontestably better sound but that sound is fine only in the listening room. In the kitchen and in other rooms it is very bad. The sound coming from Opera Room for whatever reasons is great across the whole sound and even nice on the deck where we have spa installed. When main system plays then all lower range sound is absolutely done as soon I live the listening room. With Cetla 91 playing in my Opera Room we have full bass exertion everywhere, including the bedrooms. Very nice indeed...

I love the look and feel of the Cetla 91 in this room and I have no intention to put in there anything more capable. I doubt that play with amplification and I most definitely will look for better pre-amplification as I would like to have not only more able unit but the most important to have a remote control and tone controls. I do not think that I will go for expensive high end preamp but I have my option open. Perhaps it will be something with own better DACs, some kind of video/audio processors but they are all multi-channeled nowadays. Perhaps some older 2- channel models would be available. I do not know yet as I am not familiar with this market at all. In 90 I had Theata Casanova for my video application, I was thinking about something like that. Shall it be way less expensive nowadays?

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

09-26-2013

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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Romy & Amy's opera room...

...is one of the greatest rooms to listen in, and even just to be in, that I have ever seen. And I haven't even been there for the latest redecoration and the opening-up of the bay windows.

c

10-08-2013

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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Some kind of OOPO….

A local audio friend of my lent me his new OPPO player, I do not know the numbers, whatever is the latest one. The idea was to put it in my Opera room, replacing my consumer-level Sony Blue Ray player, my consumer level preamp and anything else I have in there. So, I did last night and run the OPPO directly to power amp, using OPPO peaty much as a main digital processor for everything. You know, I do like the result. If I am not so demanding at this point for the quality of sound and video, but for sure it is super convenient – to have a single init with a convenient lit remote control. I need to say that sound of this thing is not bad as well, at least in context of my Opera Room. I am working now to program the OPPO’s remote control to open and close refrigerator door, to mix pina-colada and to deliver the thing to the listening couch. Alternately I can eat pineapple, ice and coconut milk and then shake my belly to mix it all inside. That OPPO player makes me too lazy….

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

10-08-2013

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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Out Take

I saw this advertised and thought of mentioning it to you a while back, but the sort of laziness we are talking here seems to be endemic.

This is the way I plan to go, as well, eventually, for exactly the same reasons, if I ever overcome the inertia from the Big Bang. I have occasional mixed feelings about the syrupy image quality, but in the end it really is a matter of ease, like eating out or - better - eating take out.

Best regards,
Paul S

10-13-2013

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Romy the Cat

Boston, MA
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Opera Room 2013, Fall.

I need to admit that after out UK trip last month I got more sensible what Amy is striving to make the Opera Room to feel and to look. She is British and Finish offspring with British root to be very strong in her, she actually a direct descendant of the Mayflower Pilgrims. Probably that Medieval literature undereducated degree made in her and she is a bit sucker for anything old British and that looks like brass. I saw her in UK literally drooling all over the vintage brass rubbing paintings, Medieval icons, old England architecture and anything that look and feel before Romanov Dynasty ever was establish. So naturally I am trying to give to the Opera Room some “British feel”, perhaps ignorantly and unsuccessfully but what the hell I know about British décor?

In the picture is how our Opera Room looks now. I wonder if Brits would recommend me how to Britinise it more to keep Kitty happier. I certainly will not put any taxidermy on the walls, without this the Opera Room look like a studio set to shot the Baskervilles Hound. Still, I would not mind to make it more castlee feel and frankly I do enjoy it myself.

I am trying to convince her that the only one thing that would make the rook to feel very British would be a happy husband sitting in front of lit fireplace and smoke British tobacco. I think she does not get it but I am devising the plan how to de-smoke the room. Her compromise probably would be if we get a dog – she loves them but dogs are a taboo subject my life and I am fully devoted and in full solidarity with Koshka sho hate dogs.

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

10-14-2013

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Romy the Cat

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Quite beautiful.

As I posted my post above I got an email from the site visitor who told that he loves my phrase "literature undereducated degree". That of cause was my famous misspelling of "literature undergraduate degree" but this is not the point. The guy sent an image to illustrate my misspending and I find it very moving and beautiful image. So, I share it with you…

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

10-14-2013

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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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"My misspending"

That's a good one too! But glad you liked the image... it's magnificent.

Site Visitor

10-14-2013

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Bud
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What the hell is Btitish decor anyway?

I am certain you need at least two ceramic dalmatians on the nook / odd item stand on the right. In addition you will need to find at least one huge paining of an English noble woman, with a large nose, ridiculous hairdo and over the top gown is a must have, and downright ugly is an option you may not be able to avoid. Then you might look for a smaller horse, rider and dogs hurtling after foxes painting. As a final piece, a painting from the English landscape painters of two centuries ago, more or less, just to remind you of what direct sunlight looked like before the ozone was blown to .... where ever it was blown to, and blue / ultraviolet light overcame buttery yellow.

10-19-2013

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decoud
United Kingdom
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A list of crucial items

nearly there....add a peacock feather; a sword -- not mounted on the wall but casually in an umbrella stand beside some old walking sticks; a pair of small stone animals of some kind, ideally lions, in front of the fireplace; a head or a bust in bronze or marble; a casual mosaic of thin gilt-framed family photographs somewhere, an antiqued mirror in a burnished frame, silver candlesticks, a few mysterious-looking glass bottles that might be medicinal or might be for perfume, a fur throw over one of the chairs, a few lights from these people (http://www.kansacraft.co.uk/), blowtorch some of the curtain so it has a hole or two and looks faded, apply black shoe-polish to the leather chairs attractively to age them, and you shall be utterly there....

10-20-2013

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Romy the Cat

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The BSO night in Nirvana

The Bessnow’s home turned tonight in absolute Nirvana, as far as I concerned. We kind of have a slow evening (Amy is on calls) and we desired to convert into true quality time. Kitty decided to let me to smoke my Cuba’s Cohabits in house. So, my 18 years Laphroaig glassed and her Georgian Pirismani 2006 served. We sat in the phenomenally comfortable Opera Room chairs (thank you Amy’s grandma), lit the huge fire in the fireplace (thanks to the Nor'easter’s fallen trees – we have firewood for 10 years ahead) and are spending the night of a pure decadent pleasure.

The musical program of the evening is pure BSO, all air-check master dubs:

Steinberg Bruckner 7 from 1971
Klaus Tennstedt Bruckner 4 from 1982
Klaus Tennstedt Bruckner 8 from 1974

I am lying in the chair like a beached whale, bitching about the BSO play, passing the cigars smock and looking at that gorgeous cute creature on the chair next to me. The creature is deep into her Sunday ritual – the NY Times. She is lying in her chair and with her left foot she is patting Koshka. God!!! That is pure Nirvana… I looked at Amy’s face and what our eyes met I told her: ”I love you, honey”. She replied: “You are at the end of your Cohiba and you must be high.” Well, I think she have learned my art of caustic retort too much.

I slightly contemplating the idea to install a pole in the mid of the Opera Room… Oh, those fantasies….
The caT

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

10-20-2013

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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Cohabits and Cohibas

It's great that you two both have the Bruckner habit -- a Bruckner cohabit?

Of the three recordings I know only the Eighth, but at the time it seemed to me and mine one of the greatest Eighth performances ever. How does it hold up? And where's it from? Finally, may I have a copy?

c

10-22-2013

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Romy the Cat

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Mendelssohnian Bruckner 8

Clark, of cause you might have any copy you want but I need to warn you that it is, in my view, very far from the “greatest Eighth performances ever”. The BSO history attributes to Tennstedt the great debut with BSO in 1974. It was a good debut and BSO did play nice but it is not particularly overly memorable Bruckner 8. Tennstedt took very brisk tempo that is terminal for 8^th symphony and he run what I call “concert version” of Bruckner. As the result the Bruckner 8 sound s more like Mendelssohn symphonies instead of Bruckner. Also, it was BSO. The fact that brass played in tune does not make it great Bruckner. There are some occasions very nice moment in thee but it does not rises to the greatest Eighth performances.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

10-22-2013

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clarkjohnsen
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Haven't heard it for over three decades, so...

...who knows? Is it the Friday or the Saturday? Most people back then thought the former was better.

I was at the Saturday so I'm prejudiced.

c

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