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07-13-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
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Daisy chaining balanced transformer -> PP2000
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
From what you describe I conclude that you have ground loops regardless of the PPs and the PP juts highlights the problem.


This may well be the case. I can't even remember the exact components I was using last year (a lot has changed in my system since then) but I know what I have now: PC -> DAC (via async USB) -> amps (via balanced XLR). The respective designers of the DAC and amps assure me that the signal ground is not connected to the protective earth - only the chassis of the component is. But maybe the USB ground is connected to the PE inside the PC. I don't know. But I do know that what I'm hearing is repeatable.

Incidentally, I've just tried powering the system from a few different configurations: direct from the wall socket; from the PP2000 connected to wall socket; from the PP2000 connected to a dedicated ring (with 5KVA balanced transformer and grounding rod). My order of preference is:

1) PP2000 connected to dedicated ring (with 5KVA balanced transformer and grounding rod). Very textured sound. Harmonically rich. No hint of sibilance. Very, very similar to PP2000 running from battery.

2) PP2000 connected to wall socket. No sibilance. A bit dull and flat.

3) Direct from wall socket. Easily the brightest and shiniest. Very dynamic. An immediacy that is initially appealing but that becomes a bit fatiguing with time. A bit of sibilance coming through.

I suspect the balanced transformer and grounding rod are helping to clean up the grunge that the PP2000 is inevitably putting back into the mains.

Mani.
07-24-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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John Atwood’s saga about electricity.
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http://www.clarisonus.com/blog/?p=424#more-424


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-25-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
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Sometimes I Feel Like a Dither-less Child
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This type of "re-constructor" appeals to the side of me that still wants the "perfect sine wave", which most of the "manufacturers" still insist is [the key to] their units' "success".  That the unit in question does it with a "conventional" A/B amp should mean less toxic blow-back than switching systems, given that the sine wave generator is also (somehow) some sort of innocuous "analog" counter.  HOWEVER, I cannot dismiss my strong suspicions that the actual "success" of the PP units depends at least as much on "smoothing effects", perhaps from the very toxic switching that the subject unit ostensibly "does without".

It is "interesting" that the subject unit and its ilk's A/B amps do not function like the older (HEAVY) PS units.  The former (subject) use their A/B amps only to "correct" the line AC, whereas the latter (older PS) have been notoriously current limited in practice because they actually use their A/B amps to generate the "fresh AC".

Meanwhile, my own ante has been upped considerably, now that I'm using 3 amps said to be "capable" of 150A drive each (AC willing and ready...).  Nice load for the typical "regenerator"...

Paul S
07-30-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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A Bow to a Purer Power?
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Ironic name of the review but it is what it is. Frank Alles posted a review about PS Audio P3 unit. It is not very informative but generally more or less sensible.

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc072312.shtml

I did not hear the new generation of PS Audio regenerator and I can’t relate to Frank findings.

Rgs, The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-30-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
rowuk


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Isn't this NUTS?
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I mean we can take real live analog music, convert it 100% to digital and get incredible playback if we pay attention to details but we can't take an ANALog 60/50Hz AC signal and clean it up enough for MEGA expensive equipment.
Electricity IS a problem, I just can't see why we have to jump through so many hoops to straighten that out. Why should the CONSUMER have to mess with this?
With what manufacturers charge for decent equipment these days, power regeneration built into the power supply AND optimized for the unit should be part of the package! How many of us use batteries on everything except for the power amps and turntables?


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
08-14-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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So, how the PP2000+ is doing out there?
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It looks like PurePower is selling big their new Canadian-made unit. I wonder if any rumors about the performance of new units compare to the older units. I did not spend any time to look online but I wonder if anybody manages to get it and might report the results.  


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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manisandher
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Nearly
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I should receive my PP+3000 in 10 days or so (should be shipping from Canada to the UK tomorrow). Will report findings...

Mani.
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ricksmet
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Updated Manuals
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For those interested, Purepower, http://www.purepoweraps.com/  just added the new documentation for the Purepower+ series of regenerators.

Rick
09-04-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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Interesting
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http://www.purepoweraps.com/pdf/PurePower+%202000%203000%20120V%20Users%20Guide%20-%20August%202012.pdf

It looks like the new PP unit can output configurable 115V, 120V, 127V or 130V. That is very nice as it allow to bulk setting the pate currents in none-regulated DSETS. It also has frequency converter – kind if worthless thing is you can’t double frequency. The bypass mode is a phenomenal feature but it looks like the display does not reflect the bypass mode, of they use a wrong image in the manual.  The 4 stage load- meter and battery-meter is too not-precise in my view. The former was with1% precession and it would be fine if it show some kind of accurate value. To have 25% precision with the same questionably accuracy makes the load- meter and battery-meter kind of irrelevant.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
09-04-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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New, Improved, 1/2 the Weight
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Smaller transformers? Higher switching frequencies?

Mani, you have seemed just a little above lukewarm about your old unit.  Will you be able to compare the new unit to the old one, or are you bailing out of the old one?  If the latter, why?

Paul S
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manisandher
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PP+3000 vs. PP2000... to come
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Paul, I'm happy to compare the new PP+3000 to my old PP2000 and share my findings. The new unit has arrived in the UK from Canada and should be at my place this Friday.
It's true, I didn't particularly like the sound of the PP2000 running from its regenerator when I first received it. And though I loved the sound from its battery I just couldn't live with having to constantly switch between the two whenever I wanted to listen to music. In any event, I ended up with a pair of class A monos which made running from the battery totally impractical. The PP2000 then sat down in the basement gathering dust. Meanwhile earlier this year, I switched to a fully balanced AC set up. Even being fed by the house AC, the two 5KW balanced transformers sound very good. My dedicated earth sits on the secondary of the transformers, so is isolated from the AC feeding the transformers. But I wondered whether the PP2000 might do a better job at feeding the balanced transformers than the house AC, and it seems I was right - the sound has been elevated quite a bit with the PP2000, even in regenerator mode.
I'm not really expecting the PP+3000 to sound better than the PP2000. Actually the only thing I'd like to change about the sound I'm getting right now will be impossible unless I change my speakers. So the PP+3000 isn't really in the quest for better sound. I just wanted another unit so that I could feed the two 5KW balanced transformers separately from two PP units. But of course if the sound is improved in some way, I'll happily take that.
Mani.
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Jorge
Austin TX
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Isolation trafo
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Hello Mani,

I am using a 10KW balanced transformer on my system with dedicated earth just as you are, I use two 110V power lines to enter making it 220 volts on the primary and get 110 volts on the secondary with the earth.  I have a rod in the garden for ground.
I cannot listen to my system anymore without it.
I have been, with no hurries, looking for a PP solution: first the batch was not uo to specs, then the problem was fixed and then the new PP units from Canada showed up!  anyway.
How do you feed the balanced transformer from the PP unit?  do you feed two positives and get the dedicated earth on the secondary?
Or do you feed it 110 V in and out, or in your case 220v in and out? 

Thanks
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manisandher
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PP and balanced AC
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Hi Jorge.
Firstly, be very careful if you're thinking about feeding a PP with a balanced AC input. It may be different with the North American PP units, but my UK unit did not like being fed by a balanced AC input. My balanced transformers already tend to increase the voltage by about 5% ,so I had an output of +115V(regenerated) and -128V(non-regenerated) from the PP (I had the PP set to output 230V). This caused havoc with my DAC especially. My conclusion is that my PP2000 only regenerates the Live input and passes the Neutral input un-regenerated. I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts here.
So, I currently have things set up like this:
house AC (240V) -> PP2000 (set to output 230V)  -> balanced transformer primary (L=230V, N=0V, E=house) -> balanced transformer secondary (L=+115V, N=-115V, E=dedicated rod)
(I would draw a diagram but I'm working away from home and don't have the software on my laptop.)
All AC wiring from secondary is Belden with shields connected at both ends. At the moment, the PP2000 feeds two 5KW balanced transformers. Once the new PP+ comes, I'll have the above setup replicated twice.
I'm no expert, but I think one of the reasons this setup works so well is that the +115V/-115V outputs from the balanced transformer are not connected to E, so the earth remains 'clean'. I know that Romy has misgivings about daisy-chaining anything before or after the PP, but for my part, this is easily the best sound I've managed to get. Oh and I'm not sure if this is important or not - my system is fully balanced too. My understanding is that many studios use balanced AC, and of course use fully balanced setups (though I may be wrong here).
Mani.
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Paul S
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Neutral "Input" and Balanced Systems
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Mani, the neutral wire is meant to be "the" system ground, with zero potential, so it should not have any "input".  It is known, however, that many factors conspire to contaminate ground wires (including the neutral wire) with electrical noises, and switching devices in particular are well known to foul their own nests, making any conductors they are on or near noisier.  Given these facts, and barring other issues, then it makes sense that isolation from line noise equals less noise.  Perhaps of interest here, I saw that PP specifically states that they will not accept responsibility for RFI problems, period.

The balanced systems used in "commercial" applications are about controlling hum and noise and tempering impedance/reactive issues over long cable runs.  Additionally, commercial balanced ICs are often biased.

Best regards,
Paul
09-19-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
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No comparison
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 manisandher wrote:
I'm happy to compare the new PP+3000 to my old PP2000 and share my findings.
So, the PP+3000 arrived... and went pretty much straight back.

As soon as I switched the battery pack on, it started hissing and emitting a God-awful smell. I packed everything up and had it collected the next day. The retailer (Audio Emotion in the UK) told me that the battery pack had suffered a massive trauma during transit - something like a spike going into its underside. I didn't notice anything untoward - although to be fair, I didn't purposefully look at underside of the shipping box or battery supply.

There was one thing that I did do before I packed everything away though. I tried switching the head unit on without the battery pack connected to it. And it worked! Everything displayed correctly, telling me that the battery pack was 'N.C.' Two things that I can report without the battery pack connected:

1) The by-pass switch did not work. Maybe the battery pack is required, although I can't for the life of me understand why this would be the case.

2) I didn't really like the sound. It was weighty and full-bodied, but the delicacy and sparkle that I've become accustomed to with the PP2000 was gone. I would totally accept that actually it might be the PP2000 that's 'at fault' here - injecting some noise or whatever into the regenerated AC -but whatever the PP2000 is doing, it seems to do wonders for the sound. Also, there's obviously the strong possibility that the PP+3000 needs the battery pack to perform optimally. But the fact that it 'works' without one, and really was regenerating the AC (I had 245V going in and 230V coming out) was really confusing for me. I mean, does that battery actually do anything under normal operation? Or does it just kick in when the mains AC drops too low? If it's just the latter, I'd much rather have a battery-less regenerator - it'd be much, much lighter and should be a damn sight less expensive (especially taking shipping costs into account).

Audio Emotion were happy to send me a replacement PP+3000. But based on my initial experience, I declined and asked for a refund. I may well order the PP+3000 again in the future, but won't do this until others in the field have reported their own findings. Apparently, Audio Emotion have shipped >20 other PP+ units with no reported issues whatsoever.

With this post, I may well ruffle the feathers of Audio Emotion and/or PurePower, but quite frankly I'm not casting any judgement on them, just stating my experience.

Mani.
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Romy the Cat


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Congratulations… as usually.
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 manisandher wrote:
So, the PP+3000 arrived... and went pretty much straight back.

As soon as I switched the battery pack on, it started hissing and emitting a God-awful smell. I packed everything up and had it collected the next day. The retailer (Audio Emotion in the UK) told me that the battery pack had suffered a massive trauma during transit - something like a spike going into its underside. I didn't notice anything untoward - although to be fair, I didn't purposefully look at underside of the shipping box or battery supply.

There was one thing that I did do before I packed everything away though. I tried switching the head unit on without the battery pack connected to it. And it worked! Everything displayed correctly, telling me that the battery pack was 'N.C.' Two things that I can report without the battery pack connected:

1) The by-pass switch did not work. Maybe the battery pack is required, although I can't for the life of me understand why this would be the case.

2) I didn't really like the sound. It was weighty and full-bodied, but the delicacy and sparkle that I've become accustomed to with the PP2000 was gone. I would totally accept that actually it might be the PP2000 that's 'at fault' here - injecting some noise or whatever into the regenerated AC -but whatever the PP2000 is doing, it seems to do wonders for the sound. Also, there's obviously the strong possibility that the PP+3000 needs the battery pack to perform optimally. But the fact that it 'works' without one, and really was regenerating the AC (I had 245V going in and 230V coming out) was really confusing for me. I mean, does that battery actually do anything under normal operation? Or does it just kick in when the mains AC drops too low? If it's just the latter, I'd much rather have a battery-less regenerator - it'd be much, much lighter and should be a damn sight less expensive (especially taking shipping costs into account).

Audio Emotion were happy to send me a replacement PP+3000. But based on my initial experience, I declined and asked for a refund. I may well order the PP+3000 again in the future, but won't do this until others in the field have reported their own findings. Apparently, Audio Emotion have shipped >20 other PP+ units with no reported issues whatsoever.

With this post, I may well ruffle the feathers of Audio Emotion and/or PurePower, but quite frankly I'm not casting any judgement on them, just stating my experience.
 Mani, thanks for the report. It is sad that your unit was basted, let hope that it is not emblematic for the new PurePower+ and has to do with your specific shipment. Let hope… On another hand - they pick it up and replace it. So, there is no damage….

The fact that the unit was working with no battery is not surprise to me. It is also no surprise that the bypass did not work as to do bypass the unit need very temporary to be switched to battery operation (while the contacts of relay are re-engaged). So, no battery, no bypass.

I would hold the judgment about sound until you have the fully functional units. You see, as PurePower flats the input AC to DC they have very little filtration, I think they use a few hundred microfarads to kill the residual ripples. This is very inadequate amount of capacitance for the huge currants that are flowing in there. The reason why they do it is because they rely upon the huge filtration capacity of the battery. An acid buttery have very low internal impedance and acts as a phenomenal buffers that shunt all pos AC-DC transformation ripples. So, what you used was only God know what and I would not be surprised if it was a very random result.

Frankly I am bit suspicion about you (or your old PP2000 unit) as my and your ether unit or our expectations of performance are different. My PP2000 does not “injecting some noise” and I do feel that if you report it then you unit might be defective.

For sure you have rights to decline trying the new unit but it looks like your dealer do what dealer has to do: send a replacement. If they have sold >20 PP+ units with no reported issues whatsoever then they might (or might not) say truth. I spoke two weeks back with PurePower and they insisted that they have no negative feedback from the fields. Well, I do not think that they would advertise it if they would. Still, if it cost nothing to you and if you initially wanted to try PP3000+ then I do not know how that misfortune you had did changed your mind. 

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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manisandher
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What really happened to the battery pack?
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
... if it cost nothing to you and if you initially wanted to try PP3000+ then I do not know how that misfortune you had did changed your mind.
Well let's just say that I find the retailer's version of events difficult to believe. It would be just amazing if something pierced the (quite hefty) packing material and the metal underside of the power supply casing... and that I just didn't notice any sign of damage at all. OK, I wasn't particularly on the lookout for anything, but I just can't imagine missing something so obvious. My feeling is that the battery was either defective from the off, or was damaged during transit in a less traumatic way than was suggested by the retailer. In either case I'd like to have some assurance of battery resilience before accepting another PP+3000.

But your explanation of its poor performance without the battery connected makes sense. It's good to know that the battery is an integral part of the design even in normal use.

Mani.
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Romy the Cat


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Loch Ness Monster and PurePower.
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 manisandher wrote:
Well let's just say that I find the retailer's version of events difficult to believe. It would be just amazing if something pierced the (quite hefty) packing material and the metal underside of the power supply casing... and that I just didn't notice any sign of damage at all. OK, I wasn't particularly on the lookout for anything, but I just can't imagine missing something so obvious. My feeling is that the battery was either defective from the off, or was damaged during transit in a less traumatic way than was suggested by the retailer. In either case I'd like to have some assurance of battery resilience before accepting another PP+3000.
 Yes, I would say that the explanation that retailer gave to you was most likely bogus but their explanation are never make sense and artificially constructed only to maintain face. I do not think you would blame them. It is very unlikely that anything might take place with battery as the use sealed lead batteries that are virtually indestructible. Most likely it was a shunting cap that got shorted – it does happen, particularly with less expensive caps. Alternatively it might be the shortage of cables that map the individual batteries into buttery array. It is hard to say  and I think PP owe you a call back with some explanation.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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SOS
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PurePower 2000 + troubles !!!!!!
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I've had a new PurePower APS 2000+ unit for just over 5 months and recently the battery will not charge. After Damian of PurePowerAPS helped diagnose the problem they said they would do a call pick-up to send back to the factory in Canada for repair. Here is his reply...

Hi Steve,

If you get no voltage reading from the Regenerator unit's Power Pack connector when it is plugged in and the breaker is in the on postion, it will almost certainly be a charger issue or charger interconnect wire contact problem inside the Regenerator unit.

I can supply a prepaid UPS waybill for a return trip and have it checked, corrected, tested, and back out the door in 24 hours. When you receive it you can re-attach the Power Pack and it will fully re-charge the batteries over a 12 hour period.

Let me know if I should use the address information we have on file and when to schedule pickup. If you prefer we can also just send the prepaid waybill to your email and you can either arrange a pickup at your convenience or drop the package off at any UPS location.

Thanks,
Damian.

So this was late October and ever since PP now does not return emails or phone calls. Very disappointed in how they treat customers and would made sure everyone knows before buying a PP unit from Canada. Maybe they are out of business but I had many emails back and forth until it was ready to be shipped back for repair then nothing.

If this situation changes I will post an update.

Steve
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PurePower
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PurePower repair
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Hi Steve,
This seems like a pretty simple problem. I'd be happy to straighten it out.
It only takes a day to repair a PurePower+ 2000 and in your case it only takes UPS a day and about $19 to ship from your home to our pickup depot in Niagara Falls NY. It seems Damian promised you a prepaid waybill for the shipment - not our actual policy but he was trying to be helpful and save you a few dollars. The person at PurePower responsible to email you the waybill failed to get the message. 
However, that shouldn't cost a month of waiting. If I knew about your problem it would take about 90 seconds to resolve. In fact that's exactly how long it took me to do it. I have emailed you a UPS return waybill. Please use the waybill, return the unit and we'll be very happy to fix it fast and return it.


 
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Paul S
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Hope for the Hopeless?
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Magnets "pulling" the noise to ground???

https://coreaudiotechnology.com/products/power-supplies/kolossus-grounding-system

If only!

Paul S



PS: Any updates from users/sufferers on the "new", lighter/cheaper-to-ship APS stuff?  Mani?
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Bud
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OMG
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What happens at year 100 & day 1? Can we get our money back if the magnets explode
from the machined aluminum, RFI wrapped, tar filled box before year 100?

Bud
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PP 2000 +
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Well my PP 2000 + has gone back twice and currently I have it but can not use it due to a grounding issue only with analog. The guys at PP are trying to figure this all out but no answers to date. It is dead quite with digital but I don't listen to digital so I feel I have a $3500 boat anchor at the moment. Will wait a few weeks more and hope they can figure this out.What is really strange was when I first had the unit initially all was great with analog. Will keep all posted.
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Romy the Cat


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It sounds like it is your problem.
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 SOS wrote:
Well my PP 2000 + has gone back twice and currently I have it but can not use it due to a grounding issue only with analog. The guys at PP are trying to figure this all out but no answers to date. It is dead quite with digital but I don't listen to digital so I feel I have a $3500 boat anchor at the moment. Will wait a few weeks more and hope they can figure this out.What is really strange was when I first had the unit initially all was great with analog. Will keep all posted.

Hmmmm, frankly I do not feel that it is the problem of the PP’s guys.

If you have a grounding issue only with analog then it is your problem and I do not think how you can hold the company and the product responsible to address it. Of cause I could be mistaken and the new PP 2000+ does have some grounding issues but I feel it is highly highly unlikely. The PP 2000 as any other power devise would require to fine own grounding solution. If you have some kind of ground loop than it is a specific of your playback and PP 2000 shall not be blamed. If you provide specific information about the nature of your problem with analog than I might advise something. Some very simple tests would help identify the problem very fast.

BTW,  how does the unit sound in context of your system. The pain you going to accommodate the PP 2000 + does suggest that you find it worth to use in playback? Can you provide more details about the PP2000+’s contribution to Sound?

The Cat


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PP+ issue
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First as stated before, when I 1st received the unit no hum issue it was after it was sent back twice that it came about. 2nd if I use my other conditioner, a Purist Audio Design all is dead quite. The humming out of the speakers stops if you plug the turntable motor into the wall directly or into the PAD conditioner, same with the phono stage. Plug either or both into the PP+ and the hum comes back. I've tried cheater plugs on each and every componen, no difference. I've tried grounding wires from chassis...no difference. There's also another customer that is having the same issue with his new PP+. He has an original PP unit and no hum so I think it's safe to say it is the PP + unit(s).
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