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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 201
Post ID: 27474
Reply to: 27473
Value(s)
Ahhh...
Of course it would be nice to like what you sell and sell what you like, although it seems as though some very expensive things "sell themselves", so to speak.

Also, one does want to have electronics in mind to "glorify" the expensive speakers.

I can't say why for certain, but I have not had much trouble from bad electricity since I embedded my new speakers (The Loudspeakers). I did have music-throttling electricity last weekend, even though the sound was good, but very little of this for some time. I have spent efforts on my grounding, and this has obviously paid off, but I do not take full credit for "solving the problem", rather I gratefully accept the Music.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Amir
Iran Tehran
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Post #: 202
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Amplifier for Cessaro
Paul, I think selling Cessaro products in Iran is possible but selling Cessaro Omega I in Iran is not easy, If I buy Cessaro Omega I then it will be mine. Actually Audio is not my main business and I do this because no other distributor (in Iran) imported my favorite audio equipments.
If I find Cessaro good for myself then the main problem is finding right/match amplifier for Cessaro.
I like TAD Beryllium coax drivers  So I am curious about the real performance of Cessaro Omega I.
Best Regards
Amir


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Paul S
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Avantgarde?
Doesn't Avantgarde make/offer giant speakers now? I thought they used to use TAD? I would not even mention this, except I have heard good/promising sound from Avantgarde on several occasions. I do not have recent experience with large/lower frequency horns, but my own system that I love uses horns from 1.2k Hz up to bat radar. My own reference for "lower frequency" horns is "classic" JBL 375. Other than that, I was not patient enough to develop lower frequency horns. I certainly appreciate that compression drivers can be very "musically responsive", given one can overcome own-sound.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Amir
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Post #: 204
Post ID: 27477
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Avantgarde
Paul, I did not listen to Avangarde flagship horn systems , I have no idea about that.



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Gargoyle
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You siad it yourself
 Amir wrote:
I visited Cessaro room in day 2 and 4.I guess the AC quality was bad in MOC 2024 , in day 1 most systems were not fully warm up and the AC quality was awful.The best day for AC quality was sunday (day 4).
As you know munich show condition is not good so the judgment is not easy.I think the first time I visited the Cessaro room the sound was awful, It was Fucking hard/forward/aggressive sound.Other day the sound was alittle better but it was not good.


That is more plausible than you hearing the quality of the mains power and temperature of random amplifiers in other countries.

Have you considered a battery supply?

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Paul S
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Post #: 206
Post ID: 27479
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Big $avings?
Perhaps at a certain point price is not a consideration. If it is a consideration for you, you might make an effort to hear the big Avantgardes while you are next in Deutschland. Please report here if you do this, if it's not too much trouble. I think there are several "small manufacturers" producing efficient speakers in Germany at this time. I suppose they come and go, but seems like there's always someone doing it, at any given time.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Amir
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Post #: 207
Post ID: 27480
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Battery
 Gargoyle wrote:

That is more plausible than you hearing the quality of the mains power and temperature of random amplifiers in other countries.

Have you considered a battery supply?


Like silver cables that you can detect it’s sound signature I think the Battery has a sound signature and I do not like it.I have very limited experience with batteries but what I heard was not good.



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Amir
Iran Tehran
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Germany
 Paul S wrote:
Perhaps at a certain point price is not a consideration. If it is a consideration for you, you might make an effort to hear the big Avantgardes while you are next in Deutschland. Please report here if you do this, if it's not too much trouble. I think there are several "small manufacturers" producing efficient speakers in Germany at this time. I suppose they come and go, but seems like there's always someone doing it, at any given time.

Best regards,
Paul S

Sure, I will go to Avantgarde showroom if they accept and I will report here.




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Gargoyle
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Fair enough.
 Amir wrote:
 Gargoyle wrote:

That is more plausible than you hearing the quality of the mains power and temperature of random amplifiers in other countries.

Have you considered a battery supply?


Like silver cables that you can detect it’s sound signature I think the Battery has a sound signature and I do not like it.I have very limited experience with batteries but what I heard was not good.

I wonder if lithium would sound different to lead acid.

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Amir
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Post #: 210
Post ID: 27485
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All are not good
Different batteries has different sound
I have talked to Lynn and Kevin (Designer of Living Voice Horn Vitavox S2) about batteries, they listened to many battery types and finally I think battery is not my favorite.I think all Romy comments in this link is 100% trusted :
http://goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&postID=2931#2931


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Gargoyle
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No thanks
 Amir wrote:
Different batteries has different sound
I have talked to Lynn and Kevin (Designer of Living Voice Horn Vitavox S2) about batteries, they listened to many battery types and finally I think battery is not my favorite.I think all Romy comments in this link is 100% trusted :
http://goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&postID=2931#2931

I'm not reading a 96 page thread looking for a quote.

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Amir
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Post ID: 27489
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Does dynamic change the tone?
I like musical tone/harmonics of paper drivers like Audio Note UK and Living Voice UK speakers. I think even In normal (mid performance setup) setup for example mid level AC quality, mid level tube amplifier mid level speaker position you hear good tone from paper drivers. TAD Beryllium drivers in normal setup are not as musical as paper drivers, but my exprience shows in perfect setup (perfect dynamics , perfect amplifier matching, perfect AC quality, perfect speaker position) the tone/harmonics are very very good. I believe perfect dynamics will change the tone/harmonics so I guess the Cessaro omega I will be interesting in proper setup.


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Paul S
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Compression vs. Tone
Best case, a system will have both great tone and plenty of "headroom" to play the Music you want to hear the way you want to hear it. We've discussed before that AN systems are pretty responsive, with great tone, but they do not have the power of, say, big Classic Audio speakers, etc., etc. This is not a knock, just a matter of fact, somthing to consider and "factor in". There are quite a few speakers that sound very good "up to a point". It's for the user to decide these things, exactly what compromises they are willing to make. I listened to "homoginized" CD sound for years because this was preferable to the problems I heard along with more "detail" from "better" gear.


Paul S
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Gargoyle
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Alright
What is it that makes tone and dynamic range mutually exclusive? In one sentence you say you've experienced the perfect setup with "perfect dynamics" and "very very good tone", yet in the next sentence you imply the Cesar salad bowls can't have both?
What is a "proper setup" for Ceasero?

There is nothing wrong with you preferring the distortion profile of a paper cone, that does make the TAD less "musical" due to lack of 2nd order harmonics.
This is however a fundamental divergence between music reproduction an production.

How do you define "musical"?

Can you quantify what "good AC" is for us vs "mid level AC"? This is a fairly technical forum, you don't get off that easy. Quantify.

Can you articulate the difference between "good AC" and "all batteries" including lithium, both polymer and iron phosphate. Also connector type, because this would obviously be audible to you.

Is there anything beyond your regurgitated cliched beliefs that can separate this from mid-level subjective drivel?

Talk about fucking golden ears if you can't find anything to satisfy you for less than a million bucks.

What's wrong with your current system? What are you listening to right now? It's got to be amazing.
Why you don't travel and buy the system of your dreams for much money less is confusing, unless the author is full of shit, then all of this mental ejaculation makes sense.

I really want to see your current system, don't worry about the flaws as it is way better then anything that I will have access to.
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Amir
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Post #: 215
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TAD Be vs Vitavox S2
 Paul S wrote:
Best case, a system will have both great tone and plenty of "headroom" to play the Music you want to hear the way you want to hear it. We've discussed before that AN systems are pretty responsive, with great tone, but they do not have the power of, say, big Classic Audio speakers, etc., etc. This is not a knock, just a matter of fact, somthing to consider and "factor in". There are quite a few speakers that sound very good "up to a point". It's for the user to decide these things, exactly what compromises they are willing to make. I listened to "homoginized" CD sound for years because this was preferable to the problems I heard along with more "detail" from "better" gear.


Paul S

Paul, yes I know 2way Audio Note and Living Voice dynamic driver speakers are not perfect when you play complex large scale music.Romy liked Vitavox S2 when he listened to Vitavox 191 in Las Vegas show and his midrange drivers now are Vitavox S2. I do not say TAD Be compression driver is as beautiful as Vitavox S2 in tone/harmonics, I just say if you put TAD Be in perfect setup and get maximum dynamics then you will hear better Tone/harmonics and if you like that tone then you will also have the best performance in large scale complex music.I did not listen to Cessaro in perfect setup but my feeling about listening to Cessaro Omega I in perfect setup is positive.


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Gargoyle
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Post #: 216
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Hey, I'm over here
 Amir wrote:
 Paul S wrote:
Best case, a system will have both great tone and plenty of "headroom" to play the Music you want to hear the way you want to hear it. We've discussed before that AN systems are pretty responsive, with great tone, but they do not have the power of, say, big Classic Audio speakers, etc., etc. This is not a knock, just a matter of fact, somthing to consider and "factor in". There are quite a few speakers that sound very good "up to a point". It's for the user to decide these things, exactly what compromises they are willing to make. I listened to "homoginized" CD sound for years because this was preferable to the problems I heard along with more "detail" from "better" gear.


Paul S

Paul, yes I know 2way Audio Note and Living Voice dynamic driver speakers are not perfect when you play complex large scale music.Romy liked Vitavox S2 when he listened to Vitavox 191 in Las Vegas show and his midrange drivers now are Vitavox S2. I do not say TAD Be compression driver is as beautiful as Vitavox S2 in tone/harmonics, I just say if you put TAD Be in perfect setup and get maximum dynamics then you will hear better Tone/harmonics and if you like that tone then you will also have the best performance in large scale complex music.I did not listen to Cessaro in perfect setup but my feeling about listening to Cessaro Omega I in perfect setup is positive.

Is this the high road?

Talks a bunch but can't have a conversation? You're a coward.

Are we supposed to suck your disgusting penius because you say "audio note" and "silver wire"?
You are an absolute fucking idiot.
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Paul S
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Post #: 217
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Palette
My own long expereince suggests that the better you understand and can "hear" in your head the Sound you want, the more likely it is that you will have to spend time and effort embedding components in order to get what you want from the system entire. If I recall correctly, Romy has been at pains to inform others that buying S2s is no guarantee of Good Sound, for myriad reasons, including sample to sample variations, prior usage, on and on, not to mention particular applications, including the horns, themselves. I am not sure what you mean about "perfect dynamcs" vs. better tone, but I am sure that it is possible to choose components and then adjust/season a system to taste. No doubt, you can do this, and I still don't see why it should/needs to cost so much. As I have never heard Cessaro Omega speakers, I am NOT including them in this conversation. But I am drawing on many years experience, along with what might be termed "audio common sense", the likes of which is common currency on this website. Of course, as a smart young wag (engineer...) once said to me, "common sense has nothing to do with engineering." Still, I think there is room for some common sense in terms of problem solving, in general., and no less in this case, in all likelihood.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Amir
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Post #: 218
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New experience
Paul, my idea is not just about performance of Cessaro Omega I and what I like to say is more about judging audio equipments in perfect setup.One night I listened to Wilson WP7 in DPOLS (or near perfect position) and it was different experience, it was a new experience and that night the wilson was not like before.One night I listened to my speakers just for 15min when the AC quality was perfect so my speakers sounded very different that night.
I would like to ask a question: what will happen to our judgments after listening to audio equipments when AC quality is perfect and the speakers are in perfect position (DPOLS) and the amplifier speaker matching is perfect?
My answer is sometimes (not all times) these new experiences can change our idea.


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Paul S
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Ahhh, yes...
I like to say that the best we hear from a system is audible proof of what's "available" from that system. Of course, all I want to do is just listen to the Music on such occasions. But I have sacrificed some Music in order to gauge and set parameters, figure out and "deal with" things that affect the Sound I hear. Over the past few years I have gotten more of this "Better Sound" more of the time by paying attention to things I can control. Sure, Music still gets overwhelmed by bad electricity at times; but I get more "acceptable" listening than ever before these days, going back to the years when about all I heard was the Music and the Performance(s). Those were The Days (Ignorance Is Bliss)!

Best regards,
Paul S


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Gargoyle
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So be it...
..while the names fall like imbecile rain, I am making a Amir VooDoo doll to sit with my Micheal Fremer doll.

I hope you like goosestepping 2 Hz German A/C delivered directly to your anus via corroded aluminum wire. You will never have good AC again.


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Romy the Cat


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Guys, stay focused.
The subject of this there is “The most promising “best” commercial speaker. Please stay on this subject or withdraw yourself from posting. I do not know what the last few days' posts are about, but I assure you that none of your posts need to be posted here. Please use self-moderation


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Amir
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More activity
Romy,I hope you are fine. 
I check your website every day to see your posts here and I would like this forum be more active.
About this topic I listened to Cessaro in MOC 2024 and decided to listen to Cessaro in Germany.




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Paul S
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What's the Best?
Everyone wants to know what’s the best. The next question is, best for what, and it goes on from there. Is it possible to lay out a significant context in a coherent, useable format in an open forum? If you think so, then give it a shot. It does seem worthwhile to me to discuss objectives and place them in context, including tentative conclusions, whereas a dearth of context reduces nominations to name dropping.

Paul S
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steverino
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Sadurni
I didn't see any recent post or any post in this thread about the Sadurni horn speakers. Just curious as to what anyone thinks of the latest offerings from them? I realize there was a dedicated thread back in 2011 but interest here seemed to wane about 6 or 7 years ago.
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Amir
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Sadurni
Read here
http://goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&postID=16848#16848


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