Listening to one of M4, connecting full range by itself, lonely like, and this is all right, is it me?,

Or are we spoiled here with sonic overtones and other things?

My testing is not complete, but verry interrestting!!

Anyone that disagrees, please go away! 

Methods used,

• testing with front chamber only,
• front chamber/phase plug combo,
• and open face configurations. 

I am learning as I write this, but damn well know and understand that a driver needs system integration to perform anyway, anyhow, nevertheless.

Question? -  this driver has low harmonics and tonal additions, and reminds me of kef b139, pistonic action of without overtones, I may be contributing to the wrong site here? I am a big fan of IMF TL80's, and this sonic way is low noise, high duration low fatigue method vehicle, sonically speaking, and I say this with not one iota of disrespect for findings of relevance into any matters relating to reproduction of whatever.

I SAY NO DEAL!

Advancement of sound is the goal, and some of these piston like effects (without injections of tonal and other sonic character) are useful, in my mind. 

Romy the Cat wrote:

I wonder: does it mean that you will take the rest 28 drivers? Hm, are you trying to research the subject of the drivers’ critical mass or become a speaker maker? Be careful with their claims that they will be “manufactured to the same specification as the original unit”. They all claim this but really is never the same. Did you buy the Tanoy spare cones that were made from the “same paper”? I do not say anything bad about fane – they were in past good to my custom orders. Still, my experience with manufacturers suggests that these products are NEVER the same. Also, $480 plus shipping… is it a bit stiff if you ask me. If you need 2 drivers and you suddenly wiling to use Fane Studio 8 then you swallow the bullet and go over. However, if you do for whatever reason consume 28 drivers then it is a lot of money…

Romy the Cat wrote:

Hm, are you trying to research the subject of the drivers’ critical mass or become a speaker maker?... Did you buy the Tanoy spare cones that were made from the “same paper”?

Romy the Cat wrote:

Well, I do not care one way or another and I truly have no “concern”. I have my drivers; I think I have some spare – so why would I care about new productions.

Romy the Cat wrote:

Be careful with their claims that they will be “manufactured to the same specification as the original unit”. They all claim this but really is never the same... I do not say anything bad about fane – they were in past good to my custom orders.

Romy the Cat wrote:

I credit myself with this discovery and as I do not remember at that time nether Fane nor anybody else made any implication that Studio 8M is interesting driver.

Romy the Cat wrote:

If Fane feels that their Studio 8M such a great driver and shall be sold as some kind of "unique drivers" then why they stopped to made them?

Romy the Cat wrote:

To ask individual retail customers to pay a lot of money and to collect buyers for them is not what I would like them to do

Romy the Cat wrote:

If you willing to volunteer to become their pro-bono sales guy then there is nothing wrong with it if you like such a job title.

Romy the Cat wrote:

I see a lot of voluntarism in the events from your, Rakesh, side

Romy the Cat wrote:

If the sources of the part are available and if the know how is still in the fane hands then where is the stock Studio 8M? This driver had no competitors and was the higher sensitivity among 8"inchers with sun 100Hz resonance and had surprising tone, among other things.

Romy the Cat wrote:

At that time Fane was selling Studio 8M for $72 retail, it menaces that for bulk of 50 driver it would be around $25 per driver.

Why the special offer? Two reasons. Firstly, in order to encourage filling the minimum order, so the drivers can be ordered from Fane as soon as possible. I will also be looking to move to France during the summer holidays and with the stress that this will inevitably entail, I would be grateful if this was all concluded well before then.

 From emails I have received, it is clear that even in cases where people have lingering doubts as to whether the new Fane 8M will be exactly the same (the criterion that I think will be satisfied), still it is thought that this is the closest one can get to have new Fane 8M Studio drivers performing very closely to the old production units. 

This is a remarkable opportunity, even if your plan to build an upperbass horn is in the future. Given how rare these drivers have become, how unlikely that those sourced on the second hand market will actually even be in good condition after 20 years since they were manufactured in some cases and having lived a hard life in a studio environment. To add insult to injury, some of these old Fane 8Ms will have been reconed with compatible parts and not original Fane reconing kits of course. I recently contacted a very famous loudspeaker repair specialist in Wembley, and as it turned out, the reconing kits they use for servcing Fane 8M are not original, just compatible parts, presumably made in China I would say given the price. I think that many Fane 8M out there will have been reconed at some point and it may well be they were not with the Fane reconing kits. So much for the guarantee of performance from old vintage Fane 8Ms bought on ebay or elsewhere (as mine are)!
 

Best regards
Rakesh

Romy the Cat wrote:

Rakesh, the people who read this site have bought Studio 8M many years back. I do not think you will find a lot of investors in this ides here. Also, the people who read this site are accustom to my very idiosyncratically-individualistic style and they usually, do not fish for any mass-buy from here. I think if you would like to form an army of happy buyers then you might try to make announcement at DIYadio.com, AA and alike sites where people are more accustomed to such events. Do not discard your local UK sites – there are plenty DIYers in your country. The Cat

Romy the Cat wrote:

...you might try to make announcement at DIYadio.com... The Cat

oxric wrote:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/186539-group-buy-fane-8m-studio-50-units-production-run.html

Romy the Cat wrote:

I would load one pair with dynamite and send to the very deserving person...I will be celebrating if I learn that this asshole got run over by a very slowly moving asphalt roller machine.

oxric wrote:

You have been watching too many movies and I would say you are a big fan of Tony Soprano.

Jorge wrote:

Do you have the specs for the new run from Fane?

oxric wrote:

Romy's comments, not coming from someone who has insider knowledge as to the manufacturing of these drivers, must be taken with a healthy pinch of salt. Why he seems so opposed to these drivers which are not even that expensive in the grand scheme of things (my 115Hz horns will cost me many many times the price of these drivers), when they are the best chance of obtaining the performance of the drivers that he currently enjoys in his upperbass horns (which he is the first to admit is quite remarkable) is slightly puzzling to say the least.

I do not see myself being “opposed to these drivers”. I just rise some points that I think are overlooked in here. The specifications of the old or new Fane drivers are irrelevant. It is my strong and many time expressed opinion that a driver being load into a horn, particularly in a random horn, begin to exhibit absolutely unpredictable behavior.  There is absolutely nothing in Fane 8M specifications that is responsible for the diver sound. So, what is the purpose to ask about the new specifications?

One might think that someone can use “specifications” as an assurance that the new drivers will be up to the standards of the old one.  It might be the case but are you truly feel that somebody in Fane would care, measure or to confirm the specification of the new drivers? I do not know if the old Fane is the same Fane as we have today or just somebody bought out their name and product line. As I understand since 2007 Eminence own Fane, how do you know what changes was made with Fane. If you call today to Tannoy or JBL  that any of their “production manager” will assure you that whatever they do today is the very same as what they did 30 or 40 years back – they juts will not know the difference.

I do not question the Fane new production however, I have no business to do it but I do want to point out that Fane do take advantage of you and your personal enthusiasm to have the drivers, furthermore they made you to run around the word like wounded in ass antelope to sell drivers for them. This is ridicules. For the company like Fane to make a production run of 50 drivers is as much efforts as for you to eat a hot dog. Still, they do not produce the Studio drivers and if someone asks them to do a few drivers for them than they set price that equitable to sending a person to hell.  12 years back what I asked Fane to make my own customized drivers for me (16R version) then they did one single pair for me, with any objection, and they did not even charge extra. Agreeing to pay 260£ for new production of Fane is embracing the extortion from Fane. Yes, we pay much more for other drivers and Fane Studio 8M is very much worth those 260£ (in my view). However, we shall not apply the marker price of unique vintage or specially selected drivers to the mass produced Fane drivers. For the contemporary corporate Fane it is absolutely irrelevant what to produce – Studio 8M , or Studio 5, or Colossus, or Sovereign. Still, look at the current pricese:

Fane Sovereign 8” - £25.89
Fane Studio 5”FRK - £28.89
Fane Sovereign Pro 12” - £67.39

Even the huge and very expensive 18” Colossus driver they sell for £235.55 but they for some reasons they charge even more money for the Studio 8M then for18” Colossus .  Does it strike you as no justifiable particular considering that for Fane it is absolutely irrelevant what to produce and that they will be producing pre-sold order? They must not set retail price if you sell drivers for them and they must not change for Studio 8M 5 times more just because you want to have the drivers. This behavior never was in the picture before, at the time when I dealt with Fane. Because of this I feel that Fane is changed and therefore I ask “what else changes”? Let agree that my questions are not unreasonable.

Fane, if it is the same Fane as use to be shall not behave like  this and someday bring in their house a party of 50 pre-sold divers then they need to sell them as their regular price an do not take advantage of the fact that hey themselves create a stupid deficit of the drivers.

Romy the Cat wrote:

There is absolutely nothing in Fane 8M specifications that is responsible for the diver sound. So, what is the purpose to ask about the new specifications? One might think that someone can use “specifications” as an assurance that the new drivers will be up to the standards of the old one.  It might be the case but are you truly feel that somebody in Fane would care, measure or to confirm the specification of the new drivers? I do not know if the old Fane is the same Fane as we have today or just somebody bought out their name and product line. As I understand since 2007 Eminence own Fane, how do you know what changes was made with Fane. If you call today to Tannoy or JBL  that any of their “production manager” will assure you that whatever they do today is the very same as what they did 30 or 40 years back – they juts will not know the difference.

Yes, I did not realize that the price of £225 is for a PAIR; usually price is given per driver. I guess the £225 per pair is not and of the world but I still insist to pay 65 cents per 1 Euro as it use to do… In past I never dealt with Fane directly. There was a pro audio dealer in UK:  “Nightfire Acoustic Technologies”. His site was www.pa-direct.co.uk but he is out of business foe a few years. The owner name was Ian and each time I needed any amount of the drivers Ian send me as many I needed. All of my drivers were custom and over the years I think I bought 16 of them for a number of people. There was never regular service denial from Fane, never any request for bulk production, what has happened now?

In the end, you do not see me express any dead wish to Jean-Michel Lecleach, Dr Geddes or to Jonathan Hasquin. But you would also never see Lecleach, Geddes or Hasquin to build dirty publicity campaigns around the products that they secretly sell on like. A few years ago your new friend  “anubisgrau”, the silent designer of the SWING loudspeakers ( www.bd-design.nl), in response of my very specific criticism of many Swing ideas and use of BMS  started very stinky  and very low class character demonization campaign on line. The dirt was able to engage the subject of my criticism but he, along with a few dirt backs from his neighborhood, was effective (considering for taste his audiences) to convince them that they need to run a buy Swings because Romy was “fegg”, “Osama sympathizer”, “16-year old teenager” and the rest this that so nicely worked for his constituents.  In my book, this behavior is not accidental and a clear justification that the asshole need to be run with asphalt roller. The most disgusting was that in a few years, when he moved to different projects, he was debunking the Swings ideas copping the text from my site and rephrasing my words.  Do you want to talk more with me about this “anubisgrau” piece of garbage?  Did you even see Lecleach, Geddes or Hasquin to behave in this way? BTW, John Hasquin was a person to whom I gave a pair of Studio 8M as taking of my respect and appreciation. The only thing that I would give to “anubisgrau” would be an incredibly strong kick if his fucking face.