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decoud
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Audiofication
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The audio product is peripheral to their main business and it is essentially the same as their standard double conversion ups. They say they have done more than change the fans to quiet, but they are short on specifics. Then again the markup is much smaller than for PP, and they are clearly well made machines, or at least mine was when I bought it in april 2013. In the interim they seem to have noticed they are underselling it, and have increased the price from £500 to £700.
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steverino
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Fits the pattern
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Yes it always makes sense to raise the prices for the audiofools. When I did the market survey the first thing that jumped out at me was the major reduction in prices of the commercial vendors vs the audio vendors of double conversion devices. Typically less expensive by a factor of 2 or 3 for a given power level.
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bonzo75
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Decoud
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Hi decoud, 
I live on Earl's Court Road, and saw on the website that you lived in Kensington and have Danley's. I normally hang out on the Wigwam and PFM, and I used to own Martin Logans. I am a horn fan, but the good horns I like are too expensive - Cessaro Liszt, Tune Audio Anima, JBL K2. Therefore I wanted to look at Danleys, and smaller horns. Never knew there was one in the neighbourhood. Please let me know if I can drop by for a quick listen. My email is on my profile. 
Ked


 decoud wrote:
The audio product is peripheral to their main business and it is essentially the same as their standard double conversion ups. They say they have done more than change the fans to quiet, but they are short on specifics. Then again the markup is much smaller than for PP, and they are clearly well made machines, or at least mine was when I bought it in april 2013. In the interim they seem to have noticed they are underselling it, and have increased the price from £500 to £700.
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Romy the Cat


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We are all screwed.
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A few days back I went to a meeting of Boston Audio Society where Dr. Wacks read lecture about electricity industry tendencies and it's transformation toward smart grid. It is not that I have any interest in smart grid but I was curios to ask Dr. Wacks a few questions about electricity quality that I have no answers. Dr. Wacks is for sure is well credentialed person:
 
http://www.kenwacks.com/
 
…it was not far and I figured: why not? The Boston Audio Society is a tricky place to be. They are" idiots with diplomas", have incredibly low audio capacity and frankly their talks make me want to puke after 15 seconds.
 
Dr. Wacks read his presentation that was pretty much irrelevant to the subjects of audio. The questions about electricity and audio he did not even understood. What kind of piss me off that he did not even make an effort to understand the subject and this people is the one who is at the wheel of the electrical industry. Well, we in audio for sure are screwed...
 
The most memorable even of the entire evening was some kind of older gentlemen come to me and comforted me before I leave. He said that I shall not be worry about electricity as if I replace my PS caps from electrolytic to paper then I will not be frustrated with  electricity any longer. How little they knew what I was thinking at that time, but I did think that it would be nice if the roof of the building would collapse and all of those idiots would never upon their mouths about audio again.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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"Networking Home Appliances"???
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So, how did Dr. Wacks wind up at the Boston Audio Society meeting if he, in fact, has no idea of electricity's impact on sound? I thought the idea of "electrical interference" on a wide range of "appliances" was common knowledge. Certainly hospitals and laboratories, all sorts of "scientific" and manufacturing enterprises are "concerned" about the quality as well as the quantity of their electricity. Sure, it would be too much to expect "others" to relate "electrical interference" to "musical results"; but it still seems reasonable to expect an expert like Dr. Wacks to be conversant on the general topic of the "quality" of the electricity as it relates to sound, especially given that he was "guest speaker" at the BAS meeting in the first place.

Perhaps there is something to be gleaned from his talk, after all. What did he actually say?


Paul S
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steverino
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What is the mystery?
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There have been all kinds of articles on the smart grid for some years now. There is no dispute that digital monitoring devices dump noise into the line intermittently. Romy has graphed apparent bursts of grid noise on this site. It is also not a secret that devices are being built for online interactivity - even AC regenerators. So there is no doubt that there are issues but little evidence that they can bypass double conversion devices to any significant degree at this point. Per Romy's question I think we have to hope that the scientific community will complain if any new issues arise because it is quite certain the power companies will pay zero attention to the complaints of audiophiles.
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rickmcinnis
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So you wonder why they invited him to the meeting?
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Makes no sense to me.  
But to the real reason for my post - 

Has anyone tried a home based generator?
Not one powered by an internal combustion engine.  An electric motor would be far quieter!
If fact, best of all would be to get Romy's little guy on a treadmill attached to the generator's shaft!!!  That guy never runs out of energy.  (how does he do it?)
Not that I have looked into it, and accepting the fact it would NOT be the most efficient way to solve the problem but it seems a generator of a size sufficient to run your system is the best way to eliminate the problem.  I am sure there would be waste in transducing.
Something like this, - http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_8795_8795?utm_source=Natural&utm_medium=Covario&utm_campaign=Generators -  though I would never buy anything from these people (again) but you get the idea.  Get an electrical motor to spin the shaft and I would think you would get as clean an AC current as you can get.  Might require a few mods here and there, wire and connections type things. My first concern would be how quiet the motor would be - who cares what it throws into the powerline now?
It could not cost more than all of those conditioners which strike me as akin to trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.  Why not start with something reasonably good to begin with?
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Romy the Cat


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MIT version of Woe from Wit
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Well, there is no question that power companies pay zero attention to the complaints of audiophiles, neither shall they. The power companies are in pusses to sell power and unhappiness of a done or so fringe consumer is understandably not their concern. However, the guy who came on the meeting was not the "power company". He was an individual who come to this absurd meeting after his work and spent 3 hours of his life, with being paid. It is not doubts in my mind that he has absolutely no idea about my subsets and I told him that the relation between measurable in electricity and auditable is a very tricky, not very much researched and no one have knowledge in there. All that I was hoping to raise a few questions and let his expertise to comment on them. The guy instead of demonstrating of curiosity and trying to pitch some idea tuned to a complete Moron and insisted that if he does not know about the problem then the whole notion does not exist. He did mention 234 time that he was on the board of 345 power companies and wrote 3245 papers. I am sure that he might be useful for power companies to invent new methods to harass power consumers (that is why this "professor" in fact exists) but for the advance of my subject he is absolutely worthless. The way how I recognize it was not the industry failure but the failure of one industry person to demonstrate a interest outside own little pathetic zone of camphor. Almost like in the Griboyedov's comedy "Woe from Wit"


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Jorge
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What ever happened to your Generator
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OK, I have moved my motor-generator to the backward in a cozy location under the deck, wrapped it in tarp and left it there in “preserved” mode. Sometime in future I will return to this idea
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Romy the Cat


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No motor-generator for now
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 Jorge wrote:
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OK, I have moved my motor-generator to the backward in a cozy location under the deck, wrapped it in tarp and left it there in “preserved” mode. Sometime in future I will return to this idea
Nothing is happening with my motor-generator. It still there, wrapped it in tarp. The EASE and RELIABILITY of Pure Power defeated my desire to work with the motor-generator tandem.  I am not audio-frustrated nowadays with electricity sound, even if it looks like I do for the people who do not know closer. However, I am quite intellectually frustrated with mystery of relationship  between electricity quality and sound 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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rickmcinnis
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I should have known ...
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that Romy would have tried this out long ago.
Luckily for me, or is it determined ignorance, I do not hear problems related to electricity often enough to worry about it.
If the system sounds a little sour one day it is usually fine the next and for days afterward.
I know that until one tries something they likely do not know what they are missing, it just seems every one of these schemes has its own trapdoor.  One chooses their battles ...
The joys of suburban living?  Romy lives in a suburb, too, but something is different with what is circulating up there!
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steverino
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And this is unique to the speaker???
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Romy said: He was an individual who come to this absurd meeting after his work and spent 3 hours of his life, with being paid.

Is there someone on this forum who has Not gone to an absurd meeting for 3 hours because they were paid??

OK someone asks an expert on the smart grid to speak at the Ausio Society. He says this is my fee. They say Fine. He shows up and talks about the smart grid because some audio types want to know more about it. Before he comes into the meeting he carefully removes the ear phone and turns off his IPOD device and puts it in his briefcase. He talks about the smart grid and then someone in the audience asks him how will this affect the transient response and slew rate during the first fortissimo of the B7. He looks at his briefcase in which sits his IPOD and then says "Why would there be any effect??"
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Romy the Cat


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Oh, my regular spelling stupidity!!!
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 steverino wrote:
Romy said: He was an individual who come to this absurd meeting after his work and spent 3 hours of his life, with being paid.

What I meant to say that it was “without being paid”, it is possible to guess it from the context. Read rule $16 at

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3823


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Romy the Cat


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PurePower Press Release: the war is over, kind off.....
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This thread is not about PurePower but since there is a LOT about PP in there I think it would be reasonable to post it here. I got last night a email with the following information. For sure my congratulation to Canadian, the battle well won. I wish them to lock to collect their money, the Floridan judge has zero authority in Taiwan but at least it will stop the US distributors to sell it in US, well perhaps will stop as they very much might continue to sell. They for sure will not be able to advertise, well unless they form a new company, new name and new site… Well, in civilizer countries the situations like this are very easy resolved by a quick visit to Baba Rapoport and breaking a few fingers but James Gandolfini is dead. Anyhow, with all my congratulation to PP I would like to note that the presents of Taiwanise "competitors" was not the major company problems, at least as I recognized it….  Meanwhile my both PP3000 and PP3000+ keep running with no problems of any kind. Below the latest PurePower update.
 
PurePower Press Release
 
For more info contact: richard@purepoweraps.com
Richard Janzen, Marketing Manager, PurePower Partners LLC
 
US Court Awards $649,000 damages to PurePower Partners against Taiwan
Counterfeiter
 
St Petersburg, Florida, December 30, 2014: Circuit Court Judge David Walker
today awarded $649,000 in damages against PurePower Audio Video Power
Supplies Corp, a US registered subsidiary of Taiwan electronics company
Winstream Technology Co., Ltd. and ordered the web site offering the fake
products shut down permanently.
 
The Taiwan owned company began offering counterfeit versions of PurePower®
audio power regenerators on December 4, 2011 and had been operating in
contempt of court injunctions granted on December 14, 2011. This injunction was
re-enforced by the court on January 5, 2012 with an order to cease and desist
from the illegal counterfeiting activities. In spite of the injunctions, it continued to
actively seek buyers for its fake goods using stolen dealer and customer lists and
copied marketing materials. The counterfeiters actually posted an exact
duplicate of the genuine PurePower Partners web site – complete with our
customers’ testimonials and our copyright notices. They had incorporated a new
company in Delaware USA with the confusingly similar name of “PurePower
Audio Video Power Supplies Corp.”
 
The real PurePower (PurePower Partners LLC) had become a technical and
performance leader in the high end audio and video market with its unique
technology Power Regenerator developed in Canada in 2003. PurePower
technology dramatically improves the sound and video performance of high end
AV components by delivering perfect AC power 24/7, ending the syndrome of
performance and dynamic response reductions due to poor AC power. The effect
is familiar to most audiophiles as “that midnight sound”, when they experience
the true capability of their audio and video systems on the rare late night
occasions when their utility power is free from distortion and voltage anomalies.
 
The trademarked PurePower® brand had already become a notable technical
success and a favorite of audio enthusiasts worldwide with favorable reviews in
international magazines and a dealer network spanning 30 countries. The
counterfeiting attack by the Taiwan owned company brought confusion and
uncertainty to the marketplace. This caused very significant business stress to
the true PurePower. With the support of our dealers and distributors, PurePower
Partners continued undeterred with the development and release of our new 3rd
generation power products. We have also expanded and re-tooled our Canadian
facility to build our new, improved PurePower+ product line.
 
PurePower has moved aggressively to halt any sales of the counterfeit product
and is counting on the support of the international high end audio community.
According to Damian Janzen, President of PurePower Partners LLC, “The moral
of our story is to always protect and defend your valuable IP every second”.
 “The one silver lining of this frustrating experience was the amazing support of
high end audio dealers worldwide. With very few exceptions they refused to deal
with the counterfeit company, even while we could not yet supply our new 3rd
generation product. They exhibited a very high degree of ethical business
practices - making us proud to be part of this industry.”
 
More information is available at our website – www.purepoweraps.com
Including a copy of the court orders and final judgment.



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Romy the Cat


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About the 'smart grid'.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/media-blackout-on-the-u-s-smart-grid-deployment-designs-and-monied-interests-behind-smart-meters-installed-across-america/5432392


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
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Online Datacenter UPS + Balanced AC.
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I didn't read all 60+ pages so I am sorry if it was already discussed but anyone already tried to use an big Online Datacenter UPS (TrippLite/APC/Other - for entire house?) plus a Balanced AC for audio?

I know that would be expensive but maybe someone have experienced.

Cheers!



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rowuk


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Reading the previous pages is worth it.
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I am using an APC RT series UPS. Everything is detailed in the previous pages. I like my unit and now have replaced the batteries twice since 2008.


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
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xandcg


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I will read more tomorrow.
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 rowuk wrote:
I am using an APC RT series UPS. Everything is detailed in the previous pages. I like my unit and now have replaced the batteries twice since 2008.


Thanks! I read around 30 then I become too much for one shot.



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xandcg


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Isotek.
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Now I remembered of Isotek from UK: http://isoteksystems.com

The most interesting are EVO3 Super Titan and EVO3 Genesis - but very expensive. There are also the new interesting Mosaic Series but not on the website yet.
I personaly have some interest in give a try that but I can't do it right now. :-(

Cheers!

EDIT: Isotek products are well know to do exactly what the adversiting say it do, no more no less, but I never tried one to make a statement.

EDIT2:

EVO3 Titan - http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/isotek_evo3_super_titan.htm
EVO3 Genesis - http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/isotek-evo3-genesis-1/
EVO3 Mosaic Genesis - http://www.hifiwigwam.com/isotek-mosaic-genesis-mains-conditioner/
EVO3 Mosaic Genesis - http://hifipig.com/isotek-evo3-mosaic-genesis-mains-regenerator/



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xandcg


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EVO3 Syncro.
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Also intesretsing is there EVO3 Syncro,

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/isotek3/1.html



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xandcg


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Some info.
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Here are some info about power conditioners:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/gear-shoot-outs-sound-file-comparisons-audio-tests/484756-without-power-conditioner-voltage-regulator.html
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/859885-power-conditioner-question.html

I am not techie then I cannot make a proper technical evalutaion.



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Paul S
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It Can Still Be Good
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The not-good to bad electricity continues to plague me, but I have been slowly wrestling some long-planned system changes together, and today one of the changes that I've actually implemented met up with good electricity and Great Sound for some very satisfying Bruckner (7), along with an overall sense of satisfaction with the direction I've taken with my system. At the same time, I was not able to deny that the "engineer" on my London ffrr recording did his own "conducting" on top of Solti's efforts, "spotlighting" in a way that he (the engineer) thought would make it "more dramatic", or, whatever. Still, my idea of good sound is that it "allows" Music, and the Music was definitely here today. This always "charges my batteries", and this is one reason I listen to Music in the first place.

Nice!


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drdna
San Francisco, California
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Batteries at Home?
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With the rapidly increasing technology driven by the electric car industry, lithium cell battery prices have come down. Tesla is now offering battery units for home use that can provide continuous AC power from an isolated battery source for as little as $3,500 USD. 

Has anyone given this any thought as a possible solution to the variability of the quality of AC line power? It could potentially completely eliminate all issues with "good" and "bad electricity" days we suffer.

Adrian
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xandcg


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I was thinking about the same.
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I was thinking about the same but with delivery beginning just this summer and I read somewhere, at the point of the announcement, there are already a huge queue, will take a while before someone test it for audio purpose unless luckily an "audiophile" bought that very early and shre the experience.

Here some alternatives to Tesla:

http://ca.askmen.com/video/big_shiny_things/tesla-powerwall-and-alternatives.html
http://wordlesstech.com/mercedes-benz-unveiled-a-home-battery-system/

EDIT: A point to take in consideration is if will need some sort of voltage conversion then a transformer...

Alex.



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Romy the Cat


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Do you think Tesla would case about us?
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Well, for sure that is interesting development even though I do not see why normal people would ever need home batteries. If they do it to conserve the generally and then use it at peak time, when the energy presumably more expensive, then it has some merit but how would it be applicable to us, the audio people. If we presume that we use 120V for our audio needs (wish not necessary need to be 120V BTW) then what power out audio is not batteries but inverted that crate for us AC, and the “sound” of these oscillators/inverters is something that describes the sound of electricity. Tesla for sure would make great batteries but I do not think that they would case to make oscillators “good for sound”. The marker of audio people is negligible and I am pretty sure that audio aspect of electricity will not be the Tesla focus. For sure then can make just good oscillators that would happened to sound nice… For sure no one would object THAT.



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