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Romy the Cat


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The Moron makes waves again.
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Well, this is all necessary to make positive waves in audio industry: a stupid design, a barbaric sound and to know which industry ass to kiss.

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php/shows-events/ces-2014-las-vegas-usa/152-ces-2014-features/458-ces-2014-twbas-style-part-one


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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steverino
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Tom Martin
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Tom Martin is a successful businessman who enjoyed the old TAS apparently. When HP fell on hard times he bought the mag and then promptly put HP on the shelf, brought in Harley and created a Stereophile alternate mag. Maybe someone knows why he did that since HP was a known quantity to say the least. I don't know if that was the plan all along or HP irritated him and for spite he kicked him upstairs (Emeritus). Never heard Martin was other than a rich audiophile. As for Soundstage I rather applaud the approach. If he listened to it he would have to lie in all probability. In this way he can praise it with a clear conscience. I certainly question his art appreciation though. I think it looks horrid.
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Romy the Cat


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Laudable.
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In this case I do not knock the author of the articulate. He is a reviewer, the Soundsate.com level of reviewer, the worst kind and there is not a lot of expectation from him.  It is not to mention that where did you an industry reviewer was able to say anything lucid about horn-loaded acoustic system.
The point I was making was to mock the Magico idiot with his “Ultimate” bogusness.

http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_7856ss.jpg

http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_7857ss.jpg

Right now the idiot collimated that pure speaker with a LF channel and 4000W amp, offers a “user choose” of digital or analog filters. I think he butters up the perspective fools with $600K and this is why he needs the industry bottom lickers to massage the mind using superrelative adjectives
This is as laudable as the unfortunately true.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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steverino
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Ungainly
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I am certainly far from an expert on horns but one look at the speaker certainly left an impression of ill proportions. Usually that means DSP to solve it. Am I wrong in thinking that could be guessed just from the picture? This stuff has so many non sequiturs that it becomes obvious these are just businessmen separating rich fools from their money. On those terms it will probably be a success. I thought DSP was needed mainly with a very small (lifestyle) speaker.

Seven or eight years ago when I was still getting TAS, they ran a short article about a rich audiophile in the SF Bay area who had bought a warehouse and fixed it up and installed a prototype full horn system - I mean with a bass horn that was a horn, not a woofer. From the picture they ran it was simply enormous. Does anyone remember that article? The article was the typical puff piece so it was not easy to figure out the technical issues from it. But it was impressive looking. Obviously I got no idea how it really sounded. Never heard anything more about it.
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Romy the Cat


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Predictable.
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 steverino wrote:
Seven or eight years ago when I was still getting TAS, they ran a short article about a rich audiophile in the SF Bay area who had bought a warehouse and fixed it up and installed a prototype full horn system - I mean with a bass horn that was a horn, not a woofer. From the picture they ran it was simply enormous. Does anyone remember that article? The article was the typical puff piece so it was not easy to figure out the technical issues from it. But it was impressive looking. Obviously I got no idea how it really sounded. Never heard anything more about it.

I do not know what it was.  I do not get TAS since 2095 and I just buy it one a year at newsstand as a toilet reading. I do not know who that “rich audiophile in the SF Bay area” and what he was trying to accomplish but I absolutely assure you that he was “lightweight” and that sound that he was building was garbage. How can I be so arrogantly confident? Because TAS was involved. They would not write about any sonic endeavor without industry sale whores be involved into the project and if they did then the result is highly predictable. I also very much assure that all listening rooms that TAS ever mentioned all sound the same.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Perhaps
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You could be right but my memory was that the article was written in disclaimer fashion so to speak. In other words, someone had passed along the word on  this guy's set-up which was completely custom BTW. I don't think a listening area had even been set up, the warehouse looked fairly bare except for the prototype speakers at one end. The TAS writer (I can't remember which ) just discussed it as something highly unusual given the amazing size of the speakers. I don't believe they ran any photos of the individuals or even mentioned the guy's name although I could be misremembering. So I rather doubt that this was a TAS venture but anything is possible. In any event, TAS never mentioned it again and I never heard any company trying to market it (which would be highly difficult since it wouldn't fit in any remotely normal house.) Maybe someone else remembers.
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Romy the Cat


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The speaker-reviewer synergy.
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I think 15 years back I was speaking with a famous industry person who told that the responsibility of an individual who run an audio publication is to match the stupidity of audio product to the stupidity of reviewer. he said that if manufacture made a product and even the make him know that it is shit then he find among the pool of available audio writers the most moronic who will be "impressed" but the new made product. Well in case of matching the Magico’s "ultimate: The Absolute Sound did a phenomenal matching that retarget loudspeaker with estimable fool and plenipotential idiot Jonathan Valin. Bravo TAS!!!

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/magico-ultimate-iii-horn-loaded-loudspeaker

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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OK, I read above.
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  Jonathan Valin wrote:

Third, in Munich, because of the severely limited amount of time available for setup (and the severely limited space to set up in), Wolf DSP’d the U3s for phase but did not DSP them for time alignment....

In Cali, the U3s were painstakingly DSP’d via their digital crossover for linear amplitude, phase, and time (impulse) response.

That is so great. The  "big time designer" Alon the Wolf did not painstakingly performed the time alignment, even though the non-curved time alignment in this configuration is a permanent constant and shall take 3 seconds to preset. It is possible that Alon the Wolf was idiot asking me what time alignment is 9 years back and he is still idiot if he still do not doing. If he does not.  

It is possible  that I shall take it back a bit as the idiocy of Alon the Wolf in this situation well shadowed by the idiocy of Jonathan Valin.  Jonathan Valin is too unsophisticated and ignorant listener to recognize any more or less fine points of acoustic system sound. In Munich he did not catch that speakers were not time aligned and ironically I think that they were not  mis-aligned. Even Alon the Wolf is a fool but his technicians would not allow him to do such a stupidity and they spent 2 full days to set up the speakers.  Remind you that time align this configuration in DSP level take 5 seconds.

So, here is how it went most likely. In Munich the Magico most likely did sound like crap but the reason was not mythical time arrival  mis-alignment but zillion other reasons that understandably might take place.  When  Valin come to Magico room and Alon the Wolf kissing the ass of "big time reviewer" (as all manufacturers usually do) the Wolf "explained"  to Valin (and via him to wide public) the failure of the Munich show by "we forgot to spend 3 second to do time alignment". The stupid Valin was sitting and flipping his eyes not able to retort "I do not hear time alignment in Munich".  So, not the reason for Munich was appointed and I think that was the only why Wolf even brought the damn ass Valin in Magico listening room. The Wolfy is a archetypal street shell game fraud-artist and anything he does is made to deceive and then polish reality as it was a demonstration of virtues. In this case the tricky Jew was playing the brainless audio reviewer  who just like a parrot would trumpet any BS that was dumped to his deprived from smell recognition beak.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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The Course of Evolution
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Anyone might "invent" and/or sell anything any possible way, of course; caveat emptor, as ever. But I do wonder and would like to hear a plausible story about how the Magicos I have seen and heard "turned into" this big horn speaker.


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Romy the Cat


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Magico horn bass modules
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I was pitching before that to make a loudspeaker with integrated LF module you have no ethical right to charge more then let say $20K retail.  If you charge more then you have no mechanism to deliver anything for the money people pay. However, if you charge over half million dollars as Magico suggests their horn worth then you are a certifiable idiot if you use the integrated bass module. You just not idiot but you rather is absolutely uninformed about the nature of audio practice  - wish kind of make you an idiot if you claim to be an audio maker...

Anyhow to demonstrate how much off those idiots are let me to leave aside the topological impotency of the Magico bass and let look at the implementation.  I presume that Alon the Moron read my articles back in 2006 about Aurasound 18 incher as it was the time when he made his first Ultimate prototype.  Like any idiots he heard noise but have no idea what it meant. Aura made Aurasound 1808 driver in 80s - phenomenal driver of used properly-  was the only 18-inchers underhand voice coil ever produced. Later on in the end of the 90s they change it to NRT18-8, less sensitive version,  slightly higher resonance and the paper saturated with epoxy to accommodate high power amplifiers for pro-audio installations.  Even the NRT18-8 had the same motor and same suspension but it did not sound so good. The fool from Magico went for the their generation of Aura and they use in $500K speaker the Aurasound NS18 - a remarkable of shit:

https://www.solen.ca/pdf/aura/NS18-992-4A.pdf

The efficiency dropped for 10db!!! They use hard inertial rubber for suspension, an Aluminum cone and the driver has 10% distortion juts from fraction of power in bass. That is absolutely retarded and could be only topped by  celebrated by the stupid industry Sanfaire subwoofers that deliver estimable 90% distortions.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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Surprisingly interesting write up by Federated Mike about Magico Ultimate
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http://audiofederation.com/blog/2014/08/29/high-end-audio-munich-2014


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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  »  New  Magico Mini or Jonathan Valin maxi? ..  Leather-like materials or plastics surrounds?...  Audio Discussions  Forum     21  220853  07-16-2006
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  »  New  Macondo vs. the “industry sponsored speakers”..  Correction : "Man in the street"...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     4  59854  05-11-2008
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