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10-05-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 51
Post ID: 29397
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You know, Robin....
Well if you feel comfortable to operate comfortably on your sensitivity to bass quality between your door open and closed then it will take for you 15 minutes to absolutely perfectly calibrate your listening room with any cheap $100 worth reverberation injection....


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
10-06-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
rowuk


Germany
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Post #: 52
Post ID: 29398
Reply to: 29397
If it was only hardware
I am very comfortable speaking about "radiated" vs "pressurized" as I used to spend a lot of time installing car stereo and never getting the "clouds on which the rest of the sound floats" ULF there.

I have in the last years read with great interest yours and other comments about reverberation injection (in fact I worked for a Yamaha distributor when the DSP solutions were introduced). I am sure that it could be a lot of fun. My current problem is that running wire from the preamp or amp out to the back of the room would involve major renovation or not acceptable things to trip over. Now if I had a low latency radio transmitter/receiver, this could maybe be managed... I am almost 70 now and there are many current lifestyle parameters that would not have been an issue 40 years ago.


@Paul, I would also not modify your speakers and risk doing less right. That does not mean that there is no room for "real" subwoofers however.


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 53
Post ID: 29399
Reply to: 29398
Well, here is another way...

I know the feeling even if I am not 70 


Here is a hypothesis that I have but I never tested. Feel free to test it if you have interest. Listening extensively sound of yamaka injection fills proposed that the quality of the sound might be so bad from there that it is perfectly acceptable to be transmitted to the any Bluetooth device. I have zero knowledge about Bluetooth devices but I'm pretty sure that if you get contemporary Bluetooth Little speakers and feeds them with some kind of $5 worth Chinese Bluetooth transmitter out of yamaka processor. Then you might have non-distinguishable result.




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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rowuk


Germany
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Post #: 54
Post ID: 29400
Reply to: 29399
RX/TX challenges
 Romy the Cat wrote:

I know the feeling even if I am not 70 


Here is a hypothesis that I have but I never tested. Feel free to test it if you have interest. Listening extensively sound of yamaka injection fills proposed that the quality of the sound might be so bad from there that it is perfectly acceptable to be transmitted to the any Bluetooth device. I have zero knowledge about Bluetooth devices but I'm pretty sure that if you get contemporary Bluetooth Little speakers and feeds them with some kind of $5 worth Chinese Bluetooth transmitter out of yamaka processor. Then you might have non-distinguishable result.


Bluetooth can have up to 40ms to >300ms of latency. That may or may not play a role for the injection channels. I was thinking about finding or building a small FM stereo transmitter/receiver. There used to be such things to integrate Walkmen cassette players in automobiles if the original was just a radio.


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 55
Post ID: 29401
Reply to: 29400
Music and Musical Cues

Today I listened via The Loudspeakers to the Music and Arts CD version of Beethoven’s 9th by Furtwangler/BPO, 1942. I have already gone off at some length (years ago, in Musical Discussions) about this seminal performance, and I could add plenty to that report from today’s session. But right now, I want to get down to some of the Loudspeaker-specific thoughts about sound vs. musical content that arose today.>>

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I think today is the first time I’ve listened to this CD since I fixed my skipping CD transport (also documented, in Digital Things). There were no tracking problems at all today, but this CD does have “some issues”, and I think it’s worthwhile to learn something about the history of this performance, and the recording of it, also Music and Arts’ efforts to make it easier to listen to, this to shed some light on what we are talking about. That behind us, the idea I want to play with is the actual sonic cues we listen to, depending on what we are listening for and what’s actually available to us.>>

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In terms of Musical Cues, it is worth repeating here that The Loudspeakers have a “flat frequency response”. In other words, any particular sound in any mix played via The Loudspeakers is heard relative to the other sounds, more or less as they were recorded, from soft to very loud playback levels. This means that plenty of sounds one might want “highlighted” at a “comfortable volume” are simply not highlighted. Soft sounds stay soft, and one might miss them unless the volume is turned up enough.  To the good, appropriate details are distinguishable at appropriate volumes, according to the recording. Details are natural at natural volumes, and, more important to me, I get great Musical Insight from performances I listen to via The Loudspeakers. Back to the CD in question, I am not sure what it would sound like via an “enhanced system”, but in any case, any “treatment” or “enhancement” of the sound of the playback might or might not work for any particular recording. Generally speaking, the Loudspeakers are “uncolored”, in and of themselves. As I have mentioned before, as a purely practical matter of fact, recordings via The Loudspeakers are “all over the place” and, for better or for worse, this is audible to me when I listen. Since I don’t really want this, in and of itself, I am glad to share that this sort of information is not prominent, and it is (somehow…) “set aside” from the Music, itself, which allows me to focus naturally on the Music and the Sound of the Music. I find the relaxation this affords me to be invaluable for “deep listening”.>>


Paul S

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N-set
Warsaw, Poland
Posts 642
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Post #: 56
Post ID: 29402
Reply to: 29401
RI on mono
 Paul S wrote:
I am not sure what it would sound like via an “enhanced system”, but in any case, any “treatment” or “enhancement” of the sound of the playback might or might not work for any particular recording.

From my limited so far experiments, what reverberation injection does to old mono is mind blowing! I have some old late 40's LP's which sounded very flat through speakers (only headphones were allowing to dig deeper) but the RI transforms the sound, opens it up, gives space, resembling listenig in a music hall from about 2/3 of the hall.


Cheers,
Jarek
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 57
Post ID: 29403
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RI vs. "Ambience"
Jarek, I am not surprised to hear that. I actually get some "ambience" (including reverberation/"space") from well-recorded mono that I have access to, including classical and lots of jazz. While I am not at all "against" RI, my own early experience with Quad, Hafler, etc. did not leave me wanting more processing. I am wary of any sort of "treatment" of the sound from the recording, as I have worked hard for decades to get the sound in my room the way I want it for the sort of deep listening I want to do, from the sources I look to for the Music I want to hear. Bill has said that the ambience must be in the recording to begin with in order for it to work during playback. My situation seems almost to be the opposite, as I have aimed to develop Musical Content from as many of my sources as possible, and I have found ways to get to that Content even from recordings with poor "level 1" sound. With my current set-up I can still revel in the sound of great recordings, which can be mind-blowing, especially with great recordings of great performances of great Musical Works. But how often do all these stars align? In any case, my focus for some time has been on the Music, itself, and this gambit has not yet run its course.

By the way, how did you decide on Focals to augment your Tannoys?


Best regards,
Paul S
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N-set
Warsaw, Poland
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Post #: 58
Post ID: 29404
Reply to: 29403
Yamaha RI
 Paul S wrote:
Bill has said that the ambience must be in the recording to begin with in order for it to work during playback.

Yamaha creates ambience from anything, including radio transmissions from a studio, which should be as dead as a stone, so yes it does add rather than re-create. But given a dead room, this is for me a lesser "sin" than being simply dead.
 Paul S wrote:
By the way, how did you decide on Focals to augment your Tannoys?

I looked at good studio monitors, trying to figure out clean ones/neutral with a good bass extension. Pro musician friends praised them. 




Cheers,
Jarek
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