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02-26-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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Post #: 26
Post ID: 6788
Reply to: 6623
Another might be interesting option: Weiss new DACA

Many companies recently began to offer options for raw VAW-players – that God. I hope the CD/DVD.SACD all will die and go to hell. Playing the row files is the way to do. Even the raw 16/44 VAW is so far beyond then any crap put in disk that it is not funny.

Anyhow, Weiss juts jointed the list of the pro companies that offer the VAW-orientated DAC.

http://www.designwsound.com/public/minerva-brochure.pdf 

The Weiss new "Minerva" DAC supports firewire and it look like the dealers do promote firewire. This new Weiss might be an interesting new little machine.

Weiss is very good company generally and the do very reputed pro digital equipment. Their digital EQ pretty much universally considered the best in the industry. This Weiss ADC should be very good, I never had it but it should similar in quality to Lavry AD-122. Weiss does DACs, on commercial and one professional. It has a good reputation, although my exposure to it did not convince me to use it (despite that a friend of mine was Weiss distributor), though I did not try it in my own playback. The Weiss CD passport was pretty bad, very very bad. I have no idea or it was an accident or it was a some kind of sign. The new Daniel Weiss VAW DAC might be anything: good or bad. We will see soon what the big digital companies make for VAW-DACs. Another year and all more or less serious companies will have similar options. Let see what the times brings. For now, the Weiss Minerva looks like out there…

Rgs, Romy the Cat


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Telstar
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Post #: 27
Post ID: 6790
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Minerva Cost
 Romy the Cat wrote:
The Weiss new "Minerva" DAC supports firewire and it look like the dealers do promote firewire. This new Weiss might be an interesting new little machine.


Oh, this seems a very interesting product.
Weiss is also known for its high prices. Let's see how much will cost the Minerva...
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Paul S
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Post #: 28
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Blink, stretch, yawn... A step forward???
Well if they do come up with transferable/store-able/playable RAW, this might finally get me off my ass.

But wait....

First, we need material...

... back to sleeeeep.....


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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 29
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The stupid popularity of music servers

What astonishes me is that industry discover a new “gold manna” the music servers but never told to people what to do with them and how to use. The list of the companies the tosses on market music servers are growing. Many companies do 24 bit dacs with obvious aim to music severs. However, the industry still does not allow people’s access to live feeds – the only sources worth of use of music servers to begin with. The industry morons not try to fill the space on the sold music servers with pre-caned tape and LP transfers but it is truly laughable…

I think the audio access to live performances is the key. I use FM but it might not be ONLY FM. Without having access to live music feeds and without being able to record the result how the hell people would know if their music servers wroth any time and efforts? It reminds me a story as a guy instating a traffic light on an island that has the only one street and not intersections…

Rgs, Romy the caT


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Romy the Cat


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The damn music servers at RMAF 2008

At his RMAF 2008 Show Report the “Enjoy the Music.com’s” writer Steva-Rochlin-Goat-Killa wrote:

“It is good to see more rooms using music stored on a computer as their source. Of course vinyl notwithstanding, which can sound incredible, if you must use digital i feel that music servers and the like will soon take over the marketplace. This room had the VRS music server system."

 I read it as ask the rhetorically-ebonic question: “…and what the fuck people play on those music server”. As I said before the situation with music server in my view is ridicules - the industry pushes music servers, people keep building them but what people can do with them? Copy inferior CDs and CVD to them? Copy LP and tapes to them? Truly ridicules to promote this use of music servers as advantage.

The Cat


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Music on servers @ RMAF 2008
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Yes and No...
Yes, I saw/heard some exhibitors with music on servers, that I felt was limited in scope, and insufficiant quality to show what I wanted to hear (dynamics, range, complexity, whatever).  It can be used as a convienient "reason" not to be able to play CDs or LPs people bring.  On the other hand, some had a good selection of good music and one even stoped to rip a Rachmaninoff CD to his hard drive that I wanted to hear. 
Also--
There were seminars going on all weekend, put on not by re-sellers, but manufactures, or I should say the actual engineers, as to problems, and what's being done about them.  Plenty of time for Q & A, and time to talk with them after.  It was good to see various engineers agreeing on the problems, and directions they were going in solving them--jitter, clocking, cables, filters, power, etc. 
And none of it was "buy my product," believe it or not. 
Yes, the problem exists, but people are working on it, at least at some level. 
Robert
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Vasyachkin
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Post #: 32
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Missing piece of the puzzle
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no good affordable music servers probably because people are usually EITHER into convenience ( mp3, solid state amps ) or into exotic high-end ( vinyl, valves )

very few people actually care about BOTH quality of sound and convenience

as far as manufacturers are concerned we don't exist

i think this is one of those times where you just have to DIY it.

also audiophilia is to a large degree fetishism. who wants to rip their CDs and DVDs to a hard drive and never get to play with CD booklets ?

i think the missing piece of the puzzle here is availability of lossless music for download. if you could download FLAC as easily as you can download MP3 then the servers would come.

as long as you need to rip your own CDs most people would rather play with the booklets.

just my opinion ...


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Vasyachkin
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Firewire
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
 Telstar wrote:
I meant that the Lynx digital output may retain some noise from the computer, not that you get noise from the onboard soundcard (provided that you have one -You have onboard audio disabled in the bios, have you?)
OK, I will look in that firewire thing sometimes, I know little about it as now. Is quality of firewire controller important? Can I use my on-board firewire? Regarding the onboard audio disabled in bios – nope, I did not do it. The WaveLab that I use for recording and for has a configuration that allows selecting which audio devise is used. The Lynx care is listed then along with Windows default sound devise – I just do not use system default sound cards. I did deactivate on my other DAW the onboard audio and I’ve seen no difference in sound.


as far as firewire controllers Texas Instruments chipsets are considered less problematic. so not all are equal.

i am using Unibrain Fireboard Blue firewire adapter ( with Texas Instruments chipset ) with MOTU 828 Mk3 firewire soundcard.

it probably doesn't matter if the firewire card is onboard or add-on although onboard is typically preferred.

sometimes i get dropped audio for 2 or 3 seconds when a processor ( CPU not the DSP ) gets loaded up with some task such as installing software. other than that MOTU 828 MK3 seems to work well even under my Vsita X64 OS which is by far the most problematic OS.

build quality of MOTU 828 Mk3 is so-so. the device itself is very solid, heavy and rugged but the various knobs aren't soldered in place at exactly right angle which detracts from the sex appeal. overall engineering as well as drivers / software seem to be good though. MOTU is based in Cambridge, Massachusetts by the way.


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Vasyachkin
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Forgot to say
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i am using the digital output on the 828 Mk3 so can't comment on the sound except that i have no issues with it.

the card has one coax and two optical digital outputs and a whole bunch of analog balanced ones which i don't use.

i am using the coax ...


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Romy the Cat


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Where are the Chinese Music Servers?
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I still do not know what audio people put in their hard drives but it looks like so called Music Servers become nowadays fashionable. The fashion is fashion but how not to take advantage of the people simplicity? The new NuForce Music Server  with price tag of $2,250 looks to me like a regular $300 PC that nowadays companies just trash or give to own employees for $15 buyout option.

http://www.nuforce.com/Product-MSR-CDP.htm

In fact they offer also free monitors….

I think the Chinese folks need to look toward to the market of US high-end Music Servers. It will be fun when the Chinese Music Servers hit US market.  All Music Servers are made by Chinese boards anyhow…  I anticipate that when it happens the “best imaginable” music sever will cost $599 and will do the very same as any snobby western machine.

The Cat


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Romy the Cat


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How to manage the DAW remotely
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In this thread there was a conversation about the way to manage the DAW remotely, from handheld devises, via sophisticated remote controls or running a remote desktop from a laptop. That all good but a few days back I was visited a local guy what demonstrated to me his ways and I LOVED it. It was ridiculously simple but VERY convenient. He has a projector that picks the signal from his DAW and tosses it on the wall between the loudspeakers. The guy is sitting in his chair with radio-mouse on the chair’s arms and juts is looking at the wall and clicking at the command icons – very elegant and very elegant. I love it and will try something similar…..

The caT


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Vasyachkin
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Touch screen remote
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somebody should just write an app for iPhone to make it act as a remote control over Wi-Fi.browsing for music on the iPhone is quite convenient.  no reason why the same graphical touch interface couldn't be used as a remote control.
projectors use a fan ( noise ) to cool the lamp.  plus i tend to use iPhone's keyboard to search for music titles - can't do that with a mouse.
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