Paul S wrote:

Romy, what exactly was bad, and how? Honestly, my knowlwedge and objectives were in infancy back then.  Also, it's been so long that my "memory" is probably crowded with parasitic ideas passing themselves off as memories.  But I remember the 808 driver was quite maddening.  My buddy and I wound up making tar-filled "511" horns and crossing them over at 800 Hz (still using basically stock Altec crossovers).  This crossover was obviously too high for the 515/bins, but it worked out considerably better for the tar 511 horn than using the smaller tin can horn at 800 Hz or using Altec's 500 Hz  X/O with the larger horn.  That "metal" 811 is a ratty-assed horn, one of the worst, ever.  It's probably not usable in any way. I don't remember the 802, but if to do it again today, I would try to "make the most of" the 808's aggressive, spitty quality.  This driver responded all over the place to various adjustments, and I cannot say that I was really systematic, with evolved objectives, during the short course of my experiments.  I would definitely re-work the crossover.  And the horn is shite.  It's hard not to think of adding channels.

In our experiments, the more power we threw at the A7s, the better they worked.  I heard some of the original "theater" version Altecs playing with their original "dedicated" Altec amps, and these sounded considerably better; but I never got ahold of any of those to play with.  Sure, the heavy drivers in those bins ate power, obviously, but it seemed weird that the 808s' anyway, started choking up without a lot of power/headroom, too.  I could not say how much the stock x/os had to do with this.  I think I mentioned before that "doping" one's 515s was considered a rite of passage back then.  We all did it, and of course it made the cones even heavier.  The Leak "Point 1" amps I started with (about 20 wpc, pp, I think...) were no match for my A7s, that's for sure.  The better early Japanese Sony SS worked better, at least in terms of dynamics and balance.  Mine was 100 wpc, built like lab equipment.

Maybe the A19s are a job for the renovated B2?

Best regards,
Paul S

el`Ol wrote:

A Fostex wood horn instead of the ugly metal monstrum plus a Fostex supertweeter on top would give a nice look. And you could let a 2" Radian run against a 2" Eighteensound Aluminium driver. I would be very interested in the outcome of this competition.

OK, I have the Altec 19 delivered in my second un-useful living room. I plan to do nothing with them now and will play with them sometime on winter or if somebody will come with pre-payment. Altec 19 has one (ONLY ONE) sonic positive quality (besides look) that I will try to capitalize upon, of course making the speakers to sound very different then what it does but with desire to keep that the only one sonic positive quality unaffected.

Meanwhile it gives me a pleasure to see the audio bottom-eaters from Altec-subordinated forum to get pissed that I touched Altec 19, the speaker that the Midwest white trash esteem as the best invention after compass, gun powder, Gutenberg pres and projectile vomiting…

http://www.hostboard.com/forums/altec-users-board/192825-redesigned-19s-50k.html

I remember 8 years back I was “banned” from that forum when I was trying to teach those idiots about the true sound of the Altec 19. Instead of the learning the Morons begin to ridicule me and to propose that I am deaf and ignorant. Then I banned that primitive community from my participation and the herded Altec’s dirt had nothing else to do then to demonstrate to each other who licks Altec horns with mode diligences… 


A Moron From Ohio Wrote:

“Fact is.....the 19 IS a fantastic loudspeaker system. I know it. You guys know it. He is in the very small minority that thinks otherwise......or does he really? See, I have a theory. I think that maybe the "cat" deep down inside is much impressed by the 19's sonic attributes and capabilities.....yet won't dare admit it. It is fashionable among "audio-intellectuals"......to dis that which is extremely popular and for good reason....and I stress: FOR GOOD REASON.”

No way....can someone like the "cat" admit that such a grand system could at one time be purchased by the masses.....of-the-shelf.....so to speak and they need not be engineers to own such equipment. In his little world, in order for a system to be good....or great even....it must be esoteric. (in other words.....weird).

I mean...."The Cat"...thinks he could even begin to second guess a multitude of Altec engineers? Not to mention the high praise given the system through various audio publications throughout the years?”

brad wrote:

please educate us....thanks

Brad You are correct the model 19 does have the 802-g, but all of the 802 series drivers 802-b,c,d all outperform the 802-g. I have had everyone of them and have done real world tests with them with every type of horn and the plastic phase plug is far from best it is even almost 2db down from 500hz to 20k this means less magnet and or less gause of the magnet or a wider gap. When you A,b them they sound very good but when you have the other early 1's it is like nite and day, it is hard to say what is wrong with them, but if you had a snare drum and was hitting it with your drum sticks, it's like you have a piece of paper on the skin of the snare, the peaks are soft like a 806A driver.  Preaching Horn Religion  MSAUDIO

msaudio wrote:

Romy    Why is it all the people in the art's are homo's Romy? Maybe being a gay does something to your ears. Forsure you have to much time on your hands, you need to find a women and maybe you will get lucky and she has some good ear's to tell you what your system sounds like, then you can start over with a real idea.

msaudio wrote:

Romy I have not herd so much doulble talk in a long time. Some of the best sounding drivers on the market in the last 60 years, were for sound reinforcement.

It is not my view. I wrote about it many times before, read my site.  Compression drivers were made ONLY for sound reinforcement where sound pressure was the only objective. No one ever made drivers for sonic objectives. We just use for home applications the best among worse what the sound reinforcement industry produce. Saying it, I have to admit that there is very small amount of companies very recently that  make claims that their new divers were made specifically for home use and with sonic objectives but it is a totally different subject and I would challenge their claims.

msaudio wrote:

Why would anyone in there right mind want to drive an altec 802 at 400 hz? They were ment to be used at 500Hz and up.

Because the attack bass drivers in ported configuration are not so good above 400Hz. I would cross them at 300Hz but there is no compression drivers that would go so low.

msaudio wrote:

So badmouthing the altec early 802 drivers tells me you mite have a tin ear, because you donot have a clue to make some of your statements.

I do not badmouthing them I reflect what they are. Not only you had them and not only were you trying to make them to work. The 1” Altec drivers have own place in cheap Altec models what people were trying to put one ass on multiple c\stools but it is about it. They very primitive in tone, they have very low contrast discrimination and particularly at low volume, they “compressed”, they have many other problems.  They are bright enough to shot from the depth of the stupid Altec horns and it why people like them.

msaudio wrote:

Why is it all the people in the art's are homo's Romy? Maybe being a gay does something to your ears.

Hm, interesting. Each day I have a chance to learn something new about myself. Did you see in your wet dream that you sucked my dick or you it is you were licking the Altec drivers? Sorry disappoint you, msaudio, I am not a gay but the need of assholes out there to justify position as “because he is a fag” is not new to me. 9 years ago one very famous manufacturer (with truly world name) in response to my disapproval of Sound of his product deployed a rumor that I am a gay.  For the white trash the he was selling his crap at that time it was enough. In six month he got high on cocaine (that he use VERY aggressively at that time) and he called me home and literally claying he told me that in his childhood when he was in ballet school he was sexually used by his teachers and his older schoolmates. He sounded very hart but honestly, I had absolutely no sympathy for him. I do not know what is your particular problem is but I have no sympathy for your obvious problem as well.

msaudio wrote:

Forsure you have to much time on your hands, you need to find a women and maybe you will get lucky and she has some good ear's to tell you what your system sounds like, then you can start over with a real idea. You mite realize simple is better, you donot need a 10 way speaker system, you donot need to buy stock into the edison company for audio playback. you donot need $5000.00 worth of wire when $150.00 sounds the same. Everything was going good on this site until you started to getting strange about your new sound room, then the real you came out of the closet, first i donot believe you own the house because you are trying to not make any changes to sound room, then you started a few other posts so it was becoming a sore subject because of how bad it sounds and it was emberassing because you had no idea what you were getting into. Witch are the basics in sound principles, your room. You thought you were just going to plop your speakers in there and walla, same old sound as the last room. My audio consulting fee's are pretty high, give me a landline when you want to take your system to the next level, witch is about 5 levels down. Preaching Horn Religion  MSAUDIO    I will bet you remove this from your site because, YOU CAN'T HANDEL THE TRUTH. Or we can start a new thread for the upgrades to your system and call the thread " Speakers for the Hearing Impaired"

Oh, msaudio, how foolish you were thinking that I would remove your post from my site! Your post is the best you even posted and it is wonderful illustration why have an attitude toward Audio Moron as I do.

msaudio wrote:

Oxric    The homo's you want to defend are the same individual's that are taken down man kind of the world. Homo's don't have respect for there fellow man, they want to destroy religion, mariage,morrals,self respect. You want to call homo's civilised people, that's a joke. You are Little magget in my book, go find a primary school to hang at scumbag.

Msaudio,

if you had a need to vent your little oasis of own happiness,  I guess you have right to do so. Still, I would like to ask you (and I will do it only ONCE) to stay on the subjects of audio. Regardless the fact that I very much disagree with your life views, and regardless the fact that I have consider you an idiot (not because Altec but everything else), I would like to extend you opportunity to sober up and to re-read the stupidity you have posted. In future, if you wish I would like you to post only on the subjects of audio. You are in probation at my site. One more post where you have a need to bravado you white trash attitude (brad, learned where the phases came from) and you will lose not only posting but also reading privileges at my site. I do not want to waste my time to read the crap like this.