It look like the FM recoding on PC is shaping up and I was able to make some test recordings with quite positive result. (Sansui 1X – Larvy AD122 - Linx16 – WaveLab Light – HD - Linx16 - Bidat). Unfortunately there are many setting on the card and in the recording software that I have no idea how to use or even understand what they mean. Also, I am so impressed with Larvy AD122 that I went for DA924, I got as a test to see if it might be useable. Who knows if I will run the AD, DA and the PC form the same master clock and go for the full 24/96 then I might have some advantages. So far the biggest surprise that I got was that Bidat accrual can lock and read a 24/96 stream. Obviously it kick off the bytes over 20Bit but it actually lock on the feed!!! Anyhow, I still can’t figure our how record anything higher then 16/44 with this damn WaveLab…

Anyhow, tonight Michael Tilson Thomas will lead San Francisco with world premiere of his own “Urban Legend”, the Bartók’s Music for Strings and Rishard Strauss’ “Ein Heldenleben”. I will try to record this dealyed broadcast if it will be a good play (though electricity is quite bad today in Boston) and dump a little uncompressed file (for the members of the site) to sample it. Will see what I end up with…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

Hello Romy,

The music links don't work for me. They're pointing at http://localhost/...?

I'd love to hear some music.
Been up all night stirring up the second upper bass horn. Halfway done. =)


/Ronnie

Ronnie wrote:

The music links don't work for me. They're pointing at http://localhost/...? I'd love to hear some music.

Yep, shame on me! My 10-second deployment strategy did not work, did it? :-) Anyhow it should be fine now. Do not play it off my server but download the files. They are non-compressed wav files and if you do not have good PC based system then good headphones will do justice. Interestingly that even with very mediocre playback and $3 worth plastic disposable headphones I find that those recordings of FM quite indicative why I am so enthusiastic about the FM. No mater that the recoding was accidentally made at very low level (I am still learning) and the delayed broadcast was quite compressed originally but some beauty of FM still going through those files, namely an amazing connectively, unity and peacefulness of whole music. Wait until I find better recording software and figure out all those settings…

Ronnie wrote:

Been up all night stirring up the second upper bass horn. Halfway done. =)

I know THAT feeling...  Now you can "get" what a reproduced “Steinway’s crash” migh be. :-) When you will be gone post some pictures in an appropriate thread.

Rgs,
Romy the caT

guy sergeant wrote:

What's the position with regard to this (or any other) material that you capture from the ether in this way? Are there copyright/reproduction issues?  I'd be interested in getting a full CD at this quality.  The Leak Troughline tuner I have performs a similar trick with Radio 3 over here but I hadn't considered trying to save any of the better stuff with such high quality hardware. Maybe I should investigate a more affordable means of doing it.

The Cat

OK, now it looks like that I finally finalized my first experimental draft of FM recoding setup. The AD122, outputting the 24/96 stream, into PC’s uncompressed WAV files via Lynx 16 interface. For the time being I decide to use the DA924 as D/A. With all beauty of DA924 I did not fine it comfortable to handle CEC TL0 and I feel that Bidat does better in there. (Although Bidat vs DA924 is VERY big and VERY separate question). Ironically when the DA924 run the “narrow lock” after the AD122 it perfumes very nice, primary, I think because the FM has no UHF information to begin with…

Anyhow, it looks like all is set here and the only thing that I need at this point is a recording software that would accept any OLE or COM or COM+ or .NET interface as I would like to activate recording process by sending email… Alternatively I might tonal it via VPN but full remote automation sounds more desirable.

The programming on December looks very nice and the hard disk space is cheap...

I’m happy pussy!
The Romy

How came that I can’t write a file longer then 2G? As I remember form past, the FAT partition had limitation of 2G but my drives are NTFS formatted and it should not be an issues. Perhaps a WAV file has by nature 2G limits, doesn’t it? If this is the case then it is not good as 24/96 eats a lot of hard disk space. Any solution? The entire idea to record for instance an opera “live” that later on if you are “in a mood” then you could experience it "live", without flipping those records, without changing those disks or without reloading those files…

The Cat

Romy the Cat wrote:

For the time being I decide to use the DA924 as D/A. With all beauty of DA924 I did not fine it comfortable to handle CEC TL0 and I feel that Bidat does better in there. (Although Bidat vs DA924 is VERY big and VERY separate question).

TonyB wrote:

Hi Romy, That would be a very interesting comparison. How about a new thread?

guy sergeant wrote:

Can you describe how your vinyl playback and conventional CD playback fall short of what you are getting from FM?

Guy, you are asking a resemble question but what do you expect me to say? Do you expect me to convince you (or myself) that FM is totally different (including many “hidden” not obvious reasons) and way more advanced media then recorded music? Would I need to do the convincing? You see, a lot of people out there talk about audio with one or another level of authority and credibility and I very frequently approach to all that “taking” with very high level of skepticism. Why? Because I have seen and heard the actual results that the people are getting out there while they run this months. Probably I would approach with the same skepticism my own comments about the FM… until I had the tangible evidences that were able to assess by myself.  Therefore instead of reading my comments about the vinyl/CD vs FM how about I send you a WAV file with one of my recent recordings, no mater how premature those recordings are… There is a catch in here. Since I started my FM paranoia and have quite a few people connected me, some of them sent me the examples by my request. Thos people do claim that FM is very good but not at the point of my exuberant glorification. I agree with them because a have heard thier files and because none of them demonstrated any interesting (from my prospective) FM sound. I do not know why I have better result even at 20/44, but I do like my result better and in a way “different”. Anyhow, all that I might propose is send you a file and it you have a good sound digital interfaces would be the judge. Send me your address and feel free to share with other your finding after you listen the recording.

guy sergeant wrote:

Is the FM playback of 'non live' material still sounding better than your vinyl and cd?

Yes, it does. Most of the time when the stations broadcast well and use good sources.

guy sergeant wrote:

Have you tried recording vinyl with the Lavry?

Nope, I did not.

guy sergeant wrote:

I shall be trying a low budget experiment along similar lines tomorrow burning a cd directly from a live BBC Radio 3 concert (from the Leak tuner)via a relatively cheap Tascam CD Recorder. It will be interesting to see how much of the 'live' FM quality is preserved by this machine. Obviously it's not 24 96 standard but I'm interested to see whether the good aspects of the FM transmission are still preserved.

I am VERY skeptical that you might get any interesting result form it. You see, what I found so far, that as soon you put the uncompress VAW file to CD and convert it into whatever format the CD burners could accept then sound flying away form this recording with the speed of light. Record it to uncompress file and play it form there. DO NOT dump it to CD…

The Cat

Bud wrote:

Romy, What is the possibility of just dumping the wav files to cd as a data disc? Not as a red book audio file, just a copy from your HD. Or, we could just start sending you our spare hard drives for data dumps, I have two 30 gigs laying about uselessly. Or maybe a dump to DVD formatted discs, as the gamming mags do, to allow 4 gig on a CD. It would be nice to have a playable format in our CD players but we might be able to manage.... Bud