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10-27-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 9,723
Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 26
Post ID: 12065
Reply to: 46
The Denon 103 as a tale about audio Mormonism.
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Looking at my site’s stats I find is ridicules that the thread about Denon 103 is so frequently referenced from others sites and that near 50K people have read it. People like to argue out there if was right or wrong about my concussions regarding Denon 103. Some point my (what they feel are) “mistakes” or some even quote my typical mistypings accusing me that if I cannot type them my conclusions about Denon are incorrect. It is amassing how creative the people might be out there.

I do not debate or defends my position about Denon 103. I do not like this cartridge. I do not use it. I hate the whole stiff reading character of it sound. I do not like the sound of the records that remind me the Denon 103, and there are plenty of them. I admit that I do not like rigid sound from many analog installations that I heard – I cannot explain to people how “soft” analog shall sound. Most of the people make LP to sound like CD and cold and “violet” sound is a definition of quietly for them. To Each His Own, why would I care?

However, there is a group of the people out there that have a very different reaction to my Denon 103 dislike. They read each page of the thread multiple times and then they conduce that… live is too short to worry about Denon sound.

Well, I have seen it many times and I would not argue that live is too short to wary about Denon 103 but what it has to do with YOUR curiosity about the subject? I did have my interest about the Denon 103 sound, I invested my time and efforts to investigate the subject, reach my own concussions… What the shortage of the live has to do with the Denon 103 sound? If you not willing to invest your time in negotiation with Denon 103 then it is fine – not one oblige you. How the fact the live is too short explains anything about 103. The alight the drivers, to clean records, to put the speakers out of box, and to plug an amplifier into the wall – they all activities are too primitive from the perspective “live too short”. I agree with it but live is also what we do and if you completely voluntary have chose for yourself that the sound of cartridges interest you then the justification “live is too short” is not an explanation but rather a capitulation of interest. Again, there is nothing wrong with it bit it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of Denon 103 sound.

It truly amasses me when people with no sense of actions perform brainless activity and presume that anyone ease also are driven by senselessness and meaninglessness what the subject is very specific and very well-defied.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 27
Post ID: 12070
Reply to: 12065
I Can't Resist Saying...
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Like I said before, my favorite analog threads are the Technics threads; but 103 threads run a close second.

These folks are downright fervent!

Mention the 103 in the same breath with a Technics TT and watch the counter roll blurred until it blows smoke.


Paul S
10-29-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 9,723
Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 28
Post ID: 12081
Reply to: 12070
The wasted Denon traffic.
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Yes, Paul, I did not think this way but you are very correct. Technics TT, Denon 103 cartridges, Fostex speakers, “single girl with balalaika” music and Adcom CD players are kind of come along all together very well. It is not that I have something that all of it, juts as soon one begin to mention if them there is a wave of Morons with zeal to talk about it. Funny, when I wrote my Demon 103 observation I meant to wipe of the Denon 103 subject from my site but it turned out opposite and I have heard the comments that the very same Denon that I do not like might be “substantially improved” if it run it nude, or with a cardboard body, or after pumping a lot of UHF signal over the coil, or after boiling it in a water where 7 virgins were bathing… I always wonder: is people go into such extra efforts to make the 103 to sound “better”... then why they just do not get a better cartridge to begin with? Saying, it I still have my 103M that is VERY different from any other 103 needles and I might try it sometimes again.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
10-30-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Stitch


Behind The Sun
Posts 235
Joined on 01-15-2009

Post #: 29
Post ID: 12089
Reply to: 12081
The world is a disc
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I never knew, that the 103 fanatics are ruling the world (ok, not really, but they try) until I made the following:

One of my friends had someone in his area who is a cartridge maker (or repairs them), I ordered 4 Denon 103 R with modifications for some buddies (needle, Body...) and I wrote about it in a forum, but without Details, just that I have it and that they are not bad.

I never got so much agressive feedback, because I didn‘t say what was changed (it was the know how from the builder and he made it for friendship...even after 3 years they hate me when the discussion returns to the point of „The 4 special 103R‘s).


Anyway, ferwent or whatver, I would say „really sick“. Really sick, because their whole life is in search for the ultimate unit for a few bucks to show the world that they are idiots because they buy the „expensive“ (whatever that is) stuff, which is made wrong, which is overpriced and btw. completely wrong in frequencies.


When I read some DIY Forums, and I know some guys, it is always the same:

    They had everything, I repeat everything, and it is inferior to their blah-blah-Design They all dream from the ultimate Phonostage, in the size smaller than a pack of cigarettes And when they have it, it is maximum 67,78 USD My friends once called me and told me, he saw the first preamp he could walk in it, I asked "Uh,sooo big?" He said no, all parts are lying on the floor and are connected via cheap ,25Cent cables clamped to the parts and when he asked "Does it work?" the answer was "Hey, unbelievable but I need another cap which is made from a piece of moon, sorry I can't give you a demonstration..." Then they use all that (including their modified-to-Death-74,25 USD-bought-used-Denon 103) with their rattling Garrard, because they thnk, these vibrations are supporting the Bass and the Foot-whipping-Factor is only possible with the real „knowledge“



Kind Regards
Stitch
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shannon
Posts 22
Joined on 08-08-2014

Post #: 30
Post ID: 21578
Reply to: 420
A young but mature horowitz
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

 A few months ago I bought the first pressing of the same album… only sealed (paid $60 - love Horowitz in the end of 40s begin of 50s)... and you know what? Suddenly the entire album could be perfectly tracked with the contemporary shaped needles. Moreover, because they have no tractability problems they do sound WAY better! Would I call it “the distortions”? If I do then I love each moment of those “distortions”!!! :-)


Romy the Cat

sorry to bring up this old stuff. especialy when its the moron fanboy topic thread. But what an outstanding find.  I will be looking out for a virgin copy. 

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