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Romy the Cat


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Prokofiev's cantata

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Sergey Prokofiev composed in 1939 to 60th Stalin’s birthday a very interesting choral cantata “Zdravitsa” (“Toast to Stalin"), Op 85. Does anyone know a good performance of this work?

Thanks.
The Cat


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Brian Clark
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Zdravitsa!

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Are there ANY recorded performances? I would love to hear this.

There was a rare performance of his Op 74 Cantata at the BBC Proms 3 or 4 years ago which, alas, has not been issued though an off-air recording did appear briefly on Napster.

Brian.
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Romy the Cat


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Do not blame me, blame Richter....

Well, I never head this work but there was something the picked my curiosity.

A year or so ago I read Richter’s book that combined his autobiography and dairies.  Generally I’m not fond of Richter and his autobiography in this book was expectedly revoltingly hideous. However, his dairies were quite interesting. The dairies were shaped as his short observations, starting from his very young age and to the very end, about most of his listing sessions, would they be live performances or recordings…

Anyhow, in his autobiography, when he shared a lot about people and music, he multiple times pointed to this Prokoviev’s composition. Interesting that he refers to it not only as to an absolutely best Prokoviev ever composed but also almost as to the most exceptional and extraordinal musical piece even was created.

I thought that no mater how low it high my esteem to Prokoviev and to Richter but I still would like to familiarize myself with this work…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


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Brian Clark
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Zdravitsa!

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I guess the Chandos is the only game in town :

http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2003/Aug03/Prokofiev_zdravitsa.htm

Brian.

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Romy the Cat


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The CD in the mail...

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Brain, thanks. It looks like it’s it. I certainly will be ordering this CD. It would be more interesting to hear how the guys from past did this work. Stalin died in 1953 and before his death there were a lot of good conductors who most  certainly did performe this peace… not to mention that many contemporary Russians singers sing in a very idiosyncratic way that their sing sounds like a triple transaction from English into Chinese and then into a corrupted Russian…

Rgs,
The caT



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Brian Clark
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There must be Melodiyas.....lots of them.

Brian.
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Romy the Cat


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Golovanov rules!

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Brain,

I have no access to the Melodia records. Who I had in my mine was Nikolay Golovanov, who was, as far as I concern, a conductor-geniuses. Golovanov  generally is one of the my the most beloved conductors  and he actually conducted the first performance of this Prokofiev’s work.

The caT


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1953
Hmm, I see Golovanov died the same year as both the composer and the Vozhd....
Not on the same day I trust.

Brian.
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Romy the Cat


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The Prokoviev’s Oratorio

I was able eventually to get a recording of this Prokoviev Oratorio, thanks Brian.

I do not know... it is a wonderful work. I would not call it ingénues as Richter did but I have to admit that it does have some VERY VERY VERY interesting moments. It is shame that this composition did not see any exposure.

To listen the Prokoviev’s Oratorio

Performed by Russian State Symphony and State Symphonic Cappella under Valey Polansky

The Cat




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Brian Clark
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Can't-a get-a da Cantata

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Hmm, I get "can't find specified path" from Media Player. How frustrating.

Romy, is this performance on record or CD?

Brian
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Romy the Cat


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Try to fix it. It is worth it.

It was on CD. It plays fine on my machine and looks like on the machines of few others. Something is not kosher with your Media Player configuration.

The Cat


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Fixed!
Oh yes! I have always loved "Alexandr Nevsky" since I watched Eisenstein's film on BBC TV when I was a youngster and there are quite a few invoking passages in this Cantata. I must try and find this version, I found it spellbinding.
Thank you Romy.

Brian.
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Brian Clark
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Upcoming performance in Moscow
On 25th Jan :

http://www.geocities.com/cinemaorchestra/

Also there is another recording available on CD :

http://www.uln.com/cgi-bin/vlink/723722435324BT.html?ptitle=Tchaikovsky:-Ode-to-Joy,-etc;-Prokofiev:-Zdravitsa-/-Gleeson-Music-CD

But the work didn't impress this guy QUITE the way it impressed Richter :

http://listserv.cuny.edu/Scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9607d&L=opera-l&F=&S=&P=20937

Surprise))

Brian.
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Romy the Cat


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Listening the musical intentions but not the event’s …

I do not know or care who else was “impressed”. I heard the peace a few more times and I love it, actually even more then initially. Ironically the way in witch it performed made the worlds hard to understand and it is an unquestionable plus (The lyric in there is unspeakable garbage).

The Cat


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