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In the Thread: Problems with horns: upper bass
Post Subject: On A Mid/Upper Bass HornPosted by Dresden on: 11/8/2008
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I'm a new reader of your website and one subject which interests me a lot is that of upper bass horns.

As you have noted time and again (with which I agree almost completely, after reading a lot of 'research' [many claiming to defy the laws of physics]), is that most designs claiming horn bass loading under 100 Hz are false.  The laws of physics cannot change.

In light of this fact, I have one question concerning horn loading in the range of 40 Hz to 400 Hz:  Is it possible to attain good performance in this range in a design with both the front and back of the driver horn loaded?  (I'm in the process of designing a horn for this range, but I'm really interested in knowing if a design using the energy from both the front and back of the driver might yield good results--perhaps higher efficiency--without unacceptable phase, cancellation, or other potential problems.  One reason for wanting to limit the upper range to 400 Hz is that I may implement a partial bend near the throat to accommodate the proper length of the horn [the horn will be vertical with the driver facing downward and the sound exiting 90 degrees to the audience].  My aim is to use the system without a subwoofer.)

Any light you can shed on the matter will be most appreciated.
 Romy the Cat wrote:

 skushino wrote:

• total horn length (incl. back chamber) shall not exceed 1,00m
• the horn shall have conical approximation of a hyperbolic flare contur with m=0.6
• the horn shall have a 5/16 mouth size of a free space horn
• the horn shall have a 1:1.6 mouth ratio to minimize mouth reflections
• the horn shall not be folded to reach 500Hz upper xover frequency
• the horn shall use an EV EVM15L

Well, if people threw the comments “the horn shall” then they should provide reasons for it. Perhaps the guy does have his reasons. I believe I know some of them and I do not agree with his reasons, not to mention that some of his reasons are absolutely laughable.


 skushino wrote:

These horns are an alternative to my 150Hz Tractrix. They are 77Hz, 3/16 mouth front horns with a conical shape. This is because the simulated difference to initially designed hyperbolic m=0.6 horn seem to be negligible. The horns are built from 40mm MDF. So the horn shell is pretty stiff even without a surrounding box. The driver is an EVM15L.

No surprise he posted at AA: those morns swallow everything! Kill me but I do not see in this horn 77Hz, horn loaded. A 15” EVM15L has primary resonance of 40Hz, with this back chamber he might jack it up a little. Why the back chamber has such a huge volume (at least external) only God knows.  If he runs Fs of this horn under the 77Hz then he screw his horn overloading the mouth with LF. To increase the Fs via back chamber from 40Hz to 75-80Hz he would need superbly small space behind the driver. In fact so small that it would make the driver too “stiff” and convert this horn in the acoustic suspension arrangement with attached horn. The only explanation would be if he uses in his horn an oversized throat: I would say 8-9 inches (considering the length of the horn). This would explain absolutely anything including how he was able to get 77Hz form this size mouth. I do not know the dimensions of this thing but if to pretend the MF driver sits at it default highs then this upper bass horn has a mouth of approximately 35”x20”. This thing, considering the 8”” throat is loaded as horn down 150Hz no more. All the rest the EVM15L driver shots through the horn like a direct radiator. This was the reasons why he need to make this huge back chamber because he needs a lot of exertion form this driver, actual he might wide open it with the same result.

I visited Erick site before and I believe his site is for years in the bookmarks of my site. I like him but it does not make his new upperbass horn to comply with my views of what good upper bass horns might be.

Rgs,
Romy the caT

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