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In the Forum: Horn-Loaded Speakers
In the Thread: The most promising “best” commercial speaker
Post Subject: The disjointed Avantgarde’s bass and the cost.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 7/10/2007

 coops wrote:
I would never presume to make such a claim, regarding active bass,I have heard quite a few systems now where the ( active )bass is very disjointed, Avantgardes for example, and the music just does not flow, but I will discuss your proposal with Ralph
Keith,

I do not know what you mean by “active bass”. However, the disjointed bass that you noted in Avantgardes installations (I mean Trios) was not the intrinsic quality of the Avantgardes System but the moronity of the people who set up the given Avantgarde’s installations. (What I talks about Avantgardes I always imply Trios, not the sampler units that were not useable)

I would certainly not advocate the Avantgarde’s bass – it has a LOT of problems but the disjointed bass is purely the subject of a barbaric speaker setup. The Avantgardes were particularly lucky for incredible amount of the idiots owners – there are a LOT of Avantgarde installations out there and they sounded one nastier then another. I would not go into Avantgarde discussions in this thread but I would just will make a ridicules comment: one of the subjective reasons why Trios mostly never sound in the customer’s rooms as they could sound was the low price of those speakers.

The Trios were sold for $30K-$40K and many buyers paid even less. In the today stupid Hi-Fi world it is the price of the two-channel monitor (the Kharma craps and many others). So, my point is that for $40K no one will care how those speakers are used. Even if you pay twice or trice of it, then you are still out of knowledgeable support. Look for instance what Wilson does with Grand Slam and Alexandria. Theoretically each par of those speakers comes with in-house Wilson rep that set them up in customers listening rooms. However, even at Wilson’s price they can afford to send on the field juts a dealer, and I have seen some results of their “labor” – the over-pompous morons with ears, taste, training and capacity of the McDonalds employees…

So, here is where I see that Gammas’ price tag over $150K as a good sign. In fact I would like to see the price tag even more that should include power regeneration, amplification, acoustic system… that whole set, including an full-scale installation and “getting” a right sound. Did I say DPoLS? Surely the people who would try to get “it” should be fully pre-qualified, and I do not mean financially but rather in their audio development – they should be able to understand that Sound the might be build for them. Of course it is only in the case if the Cessaro could… In the end, the Avantgarde’s Trios were juts too unexpensive and too compromised design-wise to attack any serious sonic demands. Let see if the Cessaro will be able to push the barrier…

Rgs, Romy the Cat

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