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In the Thread: Orphean horns of bd design
Post Subject: YL audio, ALE, GOTO, and Onken... good post.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 9/16/2006
 angeloitacare wrote:
Of course, Avantgarde with their price tag never will be for mass consumption. I offered Holger then to see If I could commercialize his horns in japan, Do u know how much was the dealer price for a pair of trios at that time ? 9600 german marks…. Abought us$5.000,00 Compared to what they charge today….. their prices are really ridiculous. But if u compare with others, stays in line. I don’t think even the absolutely best horn system should cost more than between lets say 8 and 10th us dollars. With that money, u can make great horns, buy the best drivers around, and bult up a wonderful horn system.
Well, prices is very secondary. The Avantgardes have own implantation and performing issuers hat this is more essential. Also, I disagree about your view of the prices. Whatever they cost is kind of irrelevant as if the process of sale properly organized then the price does not mater. As I undusted Jim Smith, the former US Avantgardes distributor sold tone of them. This idiotic market bares anything and swallows anything swallowable…. Actually why we are talking about the prices>….
 angeloitacare wrote:
I went to Japan 5 times. There are actually 5 companies in Japan, witch deal with these exotic high-end drivers. YL audio, ALE , GOTO , and Onken. YL audio and Onken does not exist anymore, as far as I know, I was privileged to visit Kondo sans factory. I have still a catalog from them, as probably only a view people know, Audio Note does produce also very exclusive high-end drivers and woofers, all with silver wiring. Probably they do not commercialize outside of Japan, because no market for that stuff. Mid bass of Kondos system was excellent, deep bass Kondo uses his 38cm woofer in a very big cabinet, goes really deep, sound is warm, but not so fast. Overall very nice sound. I visit also ALE factory near Yokohama. Its probably a one or two man company, the owner produces all drivers and horns in a very small factory. He worked 30 years ago at YL audio, as well as Goto san. they have the same background. I did go with him to listen a system outside of Tokyo. There are fotos of this system at this site: http://aca.gr/pop_goto_ale.htm It’s the five way reference system, with green drivers. I have pics of the bass horn behind, its straight 9m. I brought my own cds, and I had some with very deep bass. I was surprised, as the basshorn did not go very deep, and time delay was a problem, you actually hear that the soundsource is 9m behind you, and that is really bad. It can be imagined like you go to a deep well, and somebody is down there. When this person calls you from down there, you can notice that the source comes from far deep, at a view m of distance. The same happens with these long horns. So , definitely, not a good solution for good, deep bass. The rest of the system was fine. I don’t think that these exotic Japanese drivers are far better than more commercial drivers, like tad, altec, etc. Probably only the highest series of Goto, really crazy. I don’t believe that their exponential horns sound honky. Goto’s objective is to creat the most natural sound possible, and they where using a piano, playing it, and then comparing directly with their speakers. They know very well what they do, and I believe, there is no coloration at all. And, they do that for over 30years… These drivers are not expensive only in the states , but also in japan. Only a example. The 1260 ALE 100kg bass driver costs there 1.3 mio yen each, abought us $11.000,00 I think a subwoofer with good speakers, Iike a audire 1808 should really sound better. Actually, I want to buy these, if u know who has a pair for sale ?
Thanks interesting. When I was in Japan I did not visit them. Probably I did not wont to be disappointers. It was enough that I visited Sacuma and Micro, - a compile waste of time, so I did not want to have any other killed illusions.
 angeloitacare wrote:
I only believe a mid bass horn will be necessary, to have more body of the sound.
Yep. It's always the case….
 angeloitacare wrote:
I enjoyed a lot your comments abought magico minis, and his horns. Do u know the woofer of the mini ? It s a expolinear chassis (http://www.expolinear.de/ ) costs Euro$ 268,00 . His price tag is just ridiculous. The cost to built a speaker like this is not more than : scan speak tweeter us 600 a pair. The woofers also, 600 a pair, crossover and cabinet, may 1200 us, that’s total 2400 us. Why a speaker like this should be worth 22grant ?????? And in the interview Alon Wolf said, its Minis were cheap !!! A consumer that pays that is just stupid.
I do not think that they Expolinear but Zellaton-Gorlich, that are ~$550-$600 retasi and I amm sure a fraction of this price holesale. Also I do not think that they are expensive: do not forget the 60% of that price is the dealers mark up. The problem with them Magico Minis is not their price but their sound….
 angeloitacare wrote:
I did not involve me with high-end for quit a long time. But my dream now is to create a horn speaker Wich is a simbiosis of good looking, and good sounding, at a fair price. And that may I could produce and commercialize as well. A good alternative to Avantgardes, and Acapellas ( dinaudio drivers for 230 grant ? ) I believe your Macondo Horn must sound very well. But I would like to built something with commercially easy to get drivers, less esoteric.
Well, if you looks very carefully at the horns design and filter out the objectively wrong solutions then what will be left will not be too far from Macondo. Anyhow. I do not believe in commercial success of any properly done horn speaker. Avantgardes it was the best that the industry could come up with and market and it was still too far from where it should be.

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