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In the Forum: Analog Playback
In the Thread: Ultimate Turntable
Post Subject: FactsPosted by dkarmeli on: 5/7/2014
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
 dkarmeli wrote:

It depends on the product and the company, not all are thieves!
As of now they are selling 50 - 60 units/year and cheaper AF2 will also be available shortly.
You seem to be obsessed with the $100k price, as I mentioned above that's not the street price. $100k is there to keep it the same as the European msrp. Do the math and see how you get there;
Factory cost and margin + International Wholesaler margin + shipping, import duty & vat + distributor margin + retail margin + weak obama dollar = $100k.

Actually I am not obsessed with absolute price of this TT. I presume that the street price is very reasonably, particularly in comparing to many other near $100k TT that offer in fact very medical performance. I think you have miss my point all together. Regardless how much the TT actually costs: $10K , $40K or $60K the price is what we are willing to pay for it not what it "cost to make" and the price for the items like TT could and shall not be explained by "complexity of design" and "precision of making". There is nothing complex of precise in TTs for contemporary production technologies. 
 
We've been discussing the price of AF1 all this time and why it costs what it does, nothing to do with what one is willing to pay for it. 
 Romy the Cat wrote:
7 years back Leica lenses were polished by tips of fingers by pregnant women  and they use unique Australian sand to boil glass. Today that "uniqueness" does not exist and contemporary precision machining is just a basic norm. For sure there is uniqueness in today making but  it not among our turntables. uniqueness in TT is that other TT might sound like shit but this one might sound different, however it would not be because the "complexity of design" or "precision of making", the characteristics that you use to justify pricing.
 
If there's nothing to it why have there not been so very few true high end turntables in past 60 years since the EMT 927? Still today, we both know how shit almost all the turntables out there sound. In the case of AF1 I justify the street price based on production costs.

 Romy the Cat wrote:
You understand what you want to understand, the very same taking goes to your bitching about the "weak obama dollar". You are perfectly within your rights to hate Obama but you are blin that your favorite Bush crashed the dollar.
 
http://www.indexmundi.com/xrates/graph.aspx?c1=USD&c2=JPY&days=3650
 
Not everything is perception, David, some perception has to be bind to reality....

The price was based on 2012 exchange rates, check them out! Yen has weakened since then but not Euro. Bush was not my favorite and my there's nothing blind about my disdain for BO, its with both eyes open. You're right, one of us is blind to reality; and its not me.
This is just a little brief simple article on the dollar and the debt, I won't even try to get into all the other things that are going wrong today...
http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/p/dollar_collapse.htm

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