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In the Forum: Analog Playback
In the Thread: Ultimate Turntable
Post Subject: CostsPosted by dkarmeli on: 5/4/2014
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
David, you are thinking like a basement TT maker, which is all todays TT makers in one way or another. The reality is that no one need TTs and the makers happy to make and to sell 5 turntables a year. For sure it is expensive and difficult to make. The reality is that the level of engineering solutions and expense of implementation of our TTs for today industrial force is lobule. Your let say snow blower that cost $2.5K is way more sophisticated engineering devise. If let say LG would decide to make Micro-like TT than it will be sold in Best Buy with price tag of $2K, the table of Clearaudio reference would be sold for $199.95, but two and get third free. Let with all out love to our turntables do not forget that they are VERY simple engendering devises. We in HiFi are willing to pay a lot for our TT as industry idiotic propaganda convince us that our TTs are some kind of marvels of human endeavor that possess the secretive masonic properties. The reality is that TT is very simple engineering devise and with proper no paranoia approach it shell cost as any equitable engineering devise. A mechanical watch that you were costs $200 and it shows time very fine. You might convince yourself that this watch worth to you $200K and it will be fine, the problem that it will not show time more accurate. You know well that many High-End mega bucks TT in fact sounds no better than 8-truck tape. Those TT that in fact so sound well sound good not because they are expensive but because they made differently, this “difference” is not in cost and it might be in many instances be accomplished by very moderate means.

BTW, be advised that I am very critical when people talk seriously and confidently about high flying TT and my observation is that analog is very tricky subject and many people juts do not need any high flying TT as their rest of playback do not take advantage of the margins where the high flying TT “presumably” operate.

Sure, $100k is high but the TechDas or older Micros, EMTs aren't appliances. They're precision instruments that were designed and engineered for a particular function and act as a reference standard. I'm actually surprised given your own experience that you're suggesting this. If what you say was true and so easy to make we would have seen a lot more quality products around. There's just so much you can in a mass manufacturing situation. What you fail to recognize is the overhead that a company like LG has, there's no way that an engineering dept dedicated to high end audio isn't going to cost them an arm and a leg. You're also neglecting the cost of money for upfront investment in any kind of volume situation. 
I was a manufacturer for most of my working life and there were always some clients with the same arguments. I used to give them a bag of materials and sent them off to make it by themselves, with a guarantee that I would buy at least a 1000 of that item if they could make or have it made the same quality product for the price they offered me. They didn't have to spend the money to come with the idea and design something from scratch, just copy it for those prices!
Forget everything else your figures don't even cover the cost of raw metal!
david

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