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In the Thread: Why Horn loaded systems?!

Post Subject: You are the definition of the word Moron.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 8/3/2013

For the person who very easy toss comments like “utter nonsense”, BS and “does not make sense” you are very uninformed. If you stop position yourself as an ignorant teenager who “knows everything” then you have chance to learn something. The Car Talk guy said once that when he was 17 he was surprised how much his father was fool about cars? Then, what he was 20 he was surprised how much his father have learned during those last 3 years. So far you sound with minimalism and ignorance of 14 years old.

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
This is utter nonsense for the very simple fact that horns and it inherent coloration/distortion of adding a horn to the driver (amplifying device) cancels out any positive effects of higher efficiency etc..

What horns inherent coloration/distortion? Can you name them, explain the nature, distinct between colorations and distortion and compare the horns inherent distortions to the distortion of let say direct radiators?

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
further more most if not all horn loaded compression drivers have a metal cone/diaphragm these devices have THERE OWN distortion and ringing!...

This is not accurate. Most useable compression drivers if they have metal diaphragm then they soft suspended. The measurable distortions of any compression drivers are order of magnetite less than any direct radiator. Did you measure the distortions yourself of you run your mouth because it is free?

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
…these devices have THERE OWN distortion and ringing…this is why you see so many people put foam or and acoustic absorbing devise in the mouth of the horn.....

Really? Where this comes from? I have been doing horn for years and I never saw it. You admit that you are clueless about horns and you report “many people”. Predictable, does’t it?

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
…again total BS! this is what everyone continues to say of there advantage of high efficiency horn speaker I know from personal experience I have built many many low power 1.5watt-3watt single ended amplifiers there is no real advantage actually tube amps have less advantage they have a bandwidth limiting device in them there output transformer

Of cause it has nothing to do with low power amplifier as “rowuk” suggested but rather an ability of compression drivers to react to lower minimal currents. Let leave whatever you have built alone as it is irrelevant as you have neither knowledge not ways to use 1.5watt-3watt single ended amplifiers. My question is why you blame low power SETs being bandwidth limiting device if the horns that new use are bandwidth limiting devices. We have limited bandwidth horn and we use with them bandwidth limiting amplification. Again, why the bandwidth limiting is the problem if it is the basic postulate of our operation. In music we do not have bandwidth limiting string, brass or wind instrument and this is perfectly fine. In audio people want to put one ass on all chairs. Good luck with that!

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
…soundstage 3d etc etc..is all BS audiophool crap that does not relate to real music sir!

. Yes and no. The soundstage that you understand of cause is BS but it might not be is the… listening IQ is slightly higher then yours.

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
…again all utter BS... when was the last time you were in a concert hall? EVERYTHING IS REFLECTED SOUND SIR if you like that forced in your face presentation fine but don't tell me this is what you hear live!!

Well I disagree with rowuk that lower radiation angle decouple horns from room better but your argument is bogus. Live sound and sound reproduction have different languages and different expressive methods. The best concert hall is not the acoustic environment that you are wiling to have in your best listening room. It is too early for you to understand however.

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
…I don't think you understand what your hearing...your hearing the added coloration/distortion ...along with the signal and thinking that your beloved horns are the most reveling speakers

I do not think you understood what rowuk said to you. What he said was in fact very accurate and intelligent. Read it another few time and you might get it.

ShuffleSk8Ter wrote:
…the moral of this little rebuttle is horn speakers are far to messed up to be able to bring the live musical event home...

Sure, no one argue with your vision. Why you so much worry about it? Are you in retail sail and some kind of Horn Company denied you a dealership? Hours are crap and you are genius. Can you go away and die with your little pathetic secret?

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