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In the Thread: Holly Proscenium idiocy!
Post Subject: Fanboys ....Posted by Stitch on: 12/13/2012
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 TheOptimist wrote:

I've done some work with Mr. xyz, I know the guy, and most importantly, I've ACTUALLY HEARD HIS TURNTABLE. It is a sonic work of art. You CONSTANTLY bash it, but it's always "a guy you know" that has complaints about it. No firsthand experience. All talk. 

That kind of argument from a client / customer / friend / product owner is totally useful. You will find it for a lot of Products ... even the worst ones have exactly these kind of Fanboys. I don't care about them, but most I know of them are totally - and I really mean it, totally - deaf and completely unable to discover what is responsible for what and what the result from the "critic" is.
 TheOptimist wrote:

 Many industry reviewers use Walker turntables because they choose to. The manufacturer lets the reviewer borrow a component, and if the reviewer thinks it's the best, HE WANTS TO KEEP IT, so he continues to put his opinion of it in print. That's how the industry works. 

The Industry sales have their own rules. My friend, being stupid and showing that to the rest of the world is ok, each his own, but when you know so much, enlighten us with the information about the pricing they paid. I mean, really cash down, not mixed with "I give you that and you give me this" or "I write positive reviews for this and that" or "You can pay the advertisements with your Turntabe and we will list it in our Reference / Reviewers Components Listing or whatever ... We know there is a lot more than Dealers Price, Reviewers Price ....
 TheOptimist wrote:

I'm going to try to ignore the personal attacks on Lloyd, because you ought to know better than to attack a man's integrity based on your own baseless opinions

Let's face the truth, all manufacturers are lovely, honest, friends, don't sleep for the search of the hidden details of music reproduction or whatever, but we rate products or write opinions about them. Not all share them, that is normal and I really like your Post. It is so sensitive, I was whining while reading. The world is soooo good, all is made for the love of music. Thank you so much for sharing that.   
 TheOptimist wrote:

 I doubt you've ever even heard it. As such, you should have no opinion on it.

This kind of "argument" we read all the time. It is as useless as a review from one of the deaf-corrupt idiots we all know (not all, you don't obviously)Some time ago I had a conversation with Peter Breuninger (Professional Reviewer, Founder of Audio Society and whatever) and I asked him "Peter, you are so experienced, you have listened to so much expensive units ...after so many years you will be able to hear differences? Some Designers are a bit more clever than others, when you hear that you will automatically ask yourself, what do the others wrong? The Forums are full from owners who had this and that and they know exactly why this or that is better than the previous unit...."He wrote, he never had a unit for review he didn't like.That is imo the only way to survive that "business" :-)
 TheOptimist wrote:

 Perhaps you should try getting some experience with something BEFORE forming an opinion. You might just learn something.

That is very good. I think, Romy will think about that seriously. I had conversation with Albert Porter, a long time Promoter and owner from this table (and of course Dealer)...he wrote me a few things which will be new for YOU but not for me / us / others. More or less he confirmed. Did he learn?Don't know. But he sold it.
So, for me it is ok, when you are a Fan of a Manufacturer and Product owner, but I am afraid Romys advice to suck someone's dick is his own Philosophy to describe Product Placements.
Anyway, Merry Pre-Christmas :-)

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