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guy sergeant wrote:

Of all the manufacturers you could be poking fun at you've chosen two who actually care about what they make and sell.

I do not think any manufacturers “do not care about what they make and sell”. They all do, or at least they all want to. Everyone want, certainly within a scope of their aperture, knowledge, exposure and ….conformity.

guy sergeant wrote:

Whenever I encounter Bruce Edgar he always strikes me as a courteous and serious guy trying to offer value for money, high performance speakers. He does also seem to enjoy music (as does Kondo)

So, what? I have no problems Bruce and enjoy him. What is has to do with the subject of the news?

guy sergeant wrote:

I imagine he's well aware of the compromises he has to make to supply speaker systems that can actually be sold via retailers. He's also trying to make a living and therefore has to keep some of what he makes reasonably affordable. Of course it's priced accordingly.

Here is where you are wrong and this is why I wrote what I have written. Bruce does familiar with own publicity among the ignorant horn people and unfortunately he uses it as a cheap and irresponsible commodity. I was very surprised what I have sent him a few customers who where very open and very receptive and then…. he loaded them with objectively erroneous generic axioms juts because it was covenant for him to BS then at that given moment. It regrettably happened many times with Bruce, for instance, he was preaching for years to his customers that there were no fundamental or even theoretical shortcomings of his bent upper bass horn vs. a straight horn. So, his Morons-customers were buying and parsing the Edgar upper bass horn. Two-three years ago to told him at CES that his curved upperbass horn do not sound well and was a weakest point of his Titans. We even were talking with him how simple would be to make the very same horn to be straight, even preserving all the rest compromised of that design. Now, two years since then, the Edgar’s upperbass straight horn became a reality and you hear from his customers and from Bruce that it performs much better. No Kidding? So, how about the “no fundamental or even theoretical limitation of angled upper-bass horn”?

Guy, I regrettably heard VERY many examples like above about Bruce. I do not care about the fact that Bruce jacked the price twice, good for him, he have to do it more. The problem with Bruce that he is very much not a Moron and he does know those real “theoretical limitations answers”. So, why is it necessary to BS the gullible and ignorant people? Execly THAT was something that I portrayed in my “news”. If you did not get it then you did not get it, no biggy… Now… I am sound like a real boring snob… someone should write a news about me….

guy sergeant wrote:

Generally people who'd buy Edgar and Kondo items aren't buying them for the kudos of ownership as neither looks that prestigious or expensive. They are bought for how they sound rather than how they look.

…and you, Guy, is wrong here. I do not know well the Kondo’s US customers but knowing the US’s distributor I can made quite confidently an assumption that they should be Morons as no one (I  might have interest) would accept the  Kondo’s US importer seriously.  The playback installations with Kondo never were interesting, I would not say horrible, but they were juts too much Japanese and… to much ignorant (referent o the enter installation not to the Kondo’s gear specifically). Also, whomever I have seen with Kondo WERE the reach and “do not case about sonic result” people.

However, in case of Edgar’s customer is very different story: I know quite few of them and I almost learned their “idiosyncrasies”. When I am saying that the domination majority of Edgar’s customers are bottom-eating audio-white-trash I am not juts pay tribune to my addiction to the adjectives: very many of them ARE very-very primitive (audio-wise) people. This is one of the biggest problems with the Bruce operation that Bruce started as low-price company and he picked all low-laying audio fruit: all those DIYer and those “The big sound” bashers did embrace the Edgar’s horn. They did it NOT because sound or the specific aspect of the Bruce’s horns but BECAUSE it was cheap and not glossy. There was, and still there is NO other reason for Edgar’s customers to be his customers. Why, because very few of then, even using the Edgar’s horns, have interesting sound and practically none of them knows how to use the Edgar’s horns. You want more “evidences”? Stop by at the “Midwest White Wrash Convention” that the DIY/Horn enthusiasts make annually in US and hear/see/speak with the real Results.

At least it is what I feel….

Rgs,
The caT

PS: If you do not mind I will move the Bruce’s posts into his one “News” thread.

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