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ducatirider
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Post #: 76
Post ID: 7757
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Precession
a load on the side of the bearing could cause an elliptical rotation.  since we are dealing with micro-engineering the effect is likely audible.   Arthur Khoubesserian of Funk Firm uses a single motor with 2 additional pulleys to even out the lateral bearing force.  this idea eliminates the need for 3 motor synchronization.
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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 77
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To balance the elliptical rotation.

 ducatirider wrote:
a load on the side of the bearing could cause an elliptical rotation.  since we are dealing with micro-engineering the effect is likely audible.   Arthur Khoubesserian of Funk Firm uses a single motor with 2 additional pulleys to even out the lateral bearing force.  this idea eliminates the need for 3 motor synchronization.

Yep, I never was a big fun of 3-motor synchronization; in fact I feel that multi-motor idea is very bogus. If to pretend that we do have elliptical rotation then the fact itself that we have it is not a big deal. The bad thing is beating of spherical axis from one side of elliptical to another during the palter spinning. If a spherical axis has elliptical freedom but sits in one side of ellipse then it would be as good as no elliptical beating is available.

Fist I feel that an idea of a single motor itself is something that would keep a spherical axis leaned to one side of a hypothetical elliptical wearing of out bearing. The moment is continually applied to one side of platter effectively “biasing” the platter. There is way to take this presses further – introducing an artificial “brake” on another side of platter (or at any side at this meter). That brake acts like a mechanical grounding rod – it forces the spherical axis to sit very firm in elliptical corner. It also makes the driving belt from motor to work harder. By adjusting the force of the brake (mass of the pulleys, their driving diameter or whatever) it is possible to fine-tine the rotation system. Micro had this done with passive horoscope then the suggested to drive of the main platter. I like the idea but I feel it is very bulky.

What I experimented and go very good result was “suck out roller”. It was a soft rubber roller that was running off my driven by belt platter where the tension on the roller’s bearing was enough to bias out my platter. I was able to measure the fact the platter “sees” the roller. The Idea worked very well; however, I have to admit the all of it had no effect to auditable result. Eventually I returned back to just a simple and no fancy mass load platter with a single motor and loose belt…

The caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Post #: 78
Post ID: 7763
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Summing the issues ain't easy

There are several sources of relatively static and fairly variable noise and vibrations that a TT deals with, and likely there is no one way to deal with all of it at once.  A coupled fluid will likely let loose at some point where another form of anti-vibe must seamlessly take over, trap and then somehow disapate "noise".  In the case of the platter, there are broad band resonances from the environment and the TT's self noise, in addition to the mechanical interface of the stylus in the groove, and this is stuff we do not want amplified.  Some gets loose into the arm and some gets into the vinyl, and some of it shows up at the stylus - again - when it's no longer wanted, or it otherwise enters the amplification chain in an undesirable form.  Lots of interesting "proprietary" "solutions" out there, and in the case of expensive TTs they somehow tend to look like SOLUTIONS, as well.  Well, I suppose they better, after all.

The drive issue has been both way overblown and under-developed, practically speakingh, IMO, in that the theoretical forces we are talking about are miniscule in practical terms.  The "eliptical" bearing force loads are easy to incorporate in a captured bearing or bearings at both ends of a located shaft, and nothing I have seen or heard to date has convinced me of the practical worth of extra belt(s) and/or motors, in dealing with these issues, either.  My own experiments with belts show that the practical minimum is the best length, as they tend to develop vibrations and even cycles of vibrations if too long.  I just don't get, and I have never heard, how adding extra drive elements can help, in the end, when it is just more stuff to do something else, ie, it just becomes another variable (loose cannons).

Once the math starts, it just keeps going, and IMO it gets untenable, fast, and the super-engineers are left to "solve' only a few of the storm of "problems" that the "rigorous" approach generates as each factor introduces new factors.

In the end, of course, there has to be a balance between abstract science and practical application on the one hand and effective marketing on the other hand.  So far, it looks as though marketing is the biggest consideration in most cases; if not in the beginning, then certainly in the end.

Still waiting for the Ultimate TT...

Best regards,
Paul S

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mumford
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Post #: 79
Post ID: 7765
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Disagreed on voicing
 ducatirider wrote:

so voicing becomes as much an art as a science.





I don't mean to be a smart ass, but if "voicing" is required in a turntable, then it is not an "ultimate" turntable.  Maybe an "ultimate" turntable will never be built, as it is not possible using human technologies.  OK, the sci fi freaks can use some kind of transporter beam or something.  But let's not go there.

What about idler driver?  Maybe we should start with the very basic here.
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ducatirider
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Post #: 80
Post ID: 7766
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Sanity check

perhaps "voicing" was a poor choice of words.  but i don't think there's any designer that would put a concept into production before testing it for sound quality.  and then tweaking until the desired effect has been met.  tw spent decades perfecting his material choice for the plinth.  even a raven ac today has a different motor controller than one from a year ago. i do agree that there is no "ultimate" anything in this world.

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Paul S
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The circle unbroken
Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

If you stay with the conversation long enough, and perhaps if the designer is honest enough, TT designers may well mention in passing various compromises that they have been stuck with, for myriads of reasons, including costs and suppliers (with their spec's ever-changing).  Also, tweaking is just tweaking, generally speaking, and does not necessarily equate with net gains in audible performance.  Of course, if they want to get the big bucks they'll at least want to spin any changes to come across as "improvements".

It does look like it would be fairly expensive to build a one-off TT.  And I'll grant that it may well cost plenty to gear up for a TT, produce it in a re-produceable manner and get it to market in such a way that folks know it's there (and are inclined to buy it).  So, I do sympathize with the TT manufacturers.  But this does not mean I am just waiting for their offerings on their terms.

Meanwhile, who wants to pay a ton for something with no justification for its cost?  The "engineering" talk I am familiar with is, IMO, mostly something for the prospective buyer to get traction on and then cling to; port of entry and refuge.

Best regards,
Paul S
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mumford
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Post ID: 7768
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Round and round it goes.
 ducatirider wrote:

  tw spent decades perfecting his material choice for the plinth.



And yet, it is still not "perfect."  So what have they been doing during these decades besides going around in circle?  The only perfection created are slogans/wants/lies invented by the  marketing people to convince people that they are some superior being by having one on their trophy stand.

If you look at human technologies, especially anything that has to do with audio.  You have something really great and innovative and then different people came up with different applications in the next few years.  And then nothing.  For the next several decades, engineers are just running around in circle.

We are still using triodes.  Invented when?


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Romy the Cat


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I think taste played with those Italians a bad joke
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http://www.angelislabor.com/gabriel.html

"A true reference turntable equipped with a base that can accept up to four arms. The materials used include aluminum, bronze and stainless steel. The turntable and arm are totally decoupled at several points - beneath the base, beneath the turntable and beneath the pin, using a magnetic field calibrated and controlled with great precision. 
 
 Type: magnetic levitation 
 Transmission: double Belt in special material  
 Thrust block: Magnetic levitation with absolutely no friction or noise. The tolerance levels of the mechanical parts are incredibly low.   
 Power supply: Three speeds, 33 – 45 – 78 rpm with fine regulation. The motor is controlled by two electronic cards, the first controls the speed electronically and the second card reduces the motor vibrations by means of electrical adjustment of the phase of the motor itself. 

 The Gabriel Arm is made in Modena, Italy in the same factory where they construct precision parts in highly technical alloys for Ferrari. The arm is a very sophisticated achievement of which we are very proud. The Gabriel turntable and arm require absolutely no antiskating and in fact have no provisions for it. The turntable system is composed of three parts - the table and base for one to four arms; the 13-inch arm; and the cartridge. The Gabriel frame consists of two cone sections created by overlapping bronze with aluminium. These sections are joined by an aluminum rod. The first cone supports the turntable bearing, the second the arm and its mount. The assembled unit is quite tall and heavy: over 30 kilos. In terms of appearance, this is one of those analog monuments which catches everyone's eye the first time they see it.

Having to produce a top-class record player trying to get away from the constraints of traditional construction, we had to devise a completely new suspension system. And it is truly disconcerting. Gabriel is a magnetic suspension record player. The repulsive force is used not merely as a suspension system but also to support the turntable. This does away with the need for the traditional pinion thrust-block ball bearing bathed in oil, which is the fundamental critical part for any traditional record player. In practice, the turntable spindle unit is lifted by the force of the magnets while the centering system consists of self-lubricating brass bearings.

The 12+12-pin motor is synchronous, constrains the rotational speed to the mains frequency and uses an external power supply. This outboard unit has a twin control circuit: the first is based on the constant frequency signal generated by a quartz and amplified by an active solid-state circuit coupled to the motor via output transformer and operating as the speed controller. The second control circuit is passive and regulates the timing between the motor windings, compensating for rotational irregularities and reducing the vibrations created by the running motor. Finally, the motor support with its very heavy base and a series of flexible isolators reduces remaining vibrations further. An equally innovative approach was used for the design and creation of the arm. First, the joint system, as for the record player spindle, is a magnetic suspension system as well. To optimize the performance of the arm, three fundamental areas were focused on: considerable actual length to reduce radial tracking error; reduction of joint friction; and resonance damping."

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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The best TT is revealed!
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Courtesy to Klangton from Germany.

http://klangton.blogspot.com/

KlangTon_Turntable.jpg


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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drdna
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Post ID: 9984
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Turntable for the rest of us...
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Seriously, could this be the World's Best Turntable?
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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 86
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I do not know if I like it.
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There is a fusion in contemporary turntables: to make platters and tonearm bases separated. I am not an expert but in my ignorant common sense I do not think I like it. For instants take a look at a German table:

http://www.montegiro.de/en/lusso.html

...it has a tonearm base that is absolutely disconnected from the TT. Furthermore it is not hard bolted to foundation but sitting on some kind decoupling spikes. Well, I presume that it is strong enough to maintain the tonearm geometry stable but still: if the TT system experiences some kind ULF impact then platter and tonearm base will response to it differently. I do not like it.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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tuga


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Built to order
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

There is a fusion in contemporary turntables: to make platters and tonearm bases separated. I am not an expert but in my ignorant common sense I do not think I like it. For instants take a look at a German table:

http://www.montegiro.de/en/lusso.html

...it has a tonearm base that is absolutely disconnected from the TT. Furthermore it is not hard bolted to foundation but sitting on some kind decoupling spikes. Well, I presume that it is strong enough to maintain the tonearm geometry stable but still: if the TT system experiences some kind ULF impact then platter and tonearm base will response to it differently. I do not like it.

The Cat


For the Ultimate you would have to try a customized RB UNICO -> http://www.ruiborgesturntables.com/Ingles/turntables.htm
(Up to now) it's been a high-end-rape-free manufactufaturer...
But after this post I am left wondering which famous rapist will score it first.

Cheers,
Ric


"Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira Pascoaes
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Romy the Cat


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It is BS but clever.
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http://www.gizmag.com/record-player-reads-tree-rings/21198/

http://vimeo.com/30501143

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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guy sergeant
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Post #: 89
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21st century Micro
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I saw this turntable while over at the show in Munich. It is called Air Force 1. Allegedly there are Micro Seiki people behind it. There might be some truth in that.


A Micro for the 21st Century?
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Romy the Cat


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Micro Seiki people behind?
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I would love to find somebody who would claim Micro Seiki descendents as they owe me $13K…

Anyhow, about the TT. I never seen it and it looks good. My only concern is the presence of superfluous space between platter and user. What I mean is that the TT is relatively deep and it sits at relatively high shelf then to reach the back arm because a bit uncomfortable. It is not even the back arm with its micro-lift located outside but even to lay down the record in deep TT is a bit uncomfortable.

My Micro with 3 arms is deep TT as well and I use 9” arm in front position to make it less deep. Still, I would like to have platter closer to me. This Air Force 1 TT has platter he sites very deep and it has no arm in front but a bunch of controls.  I wish the controls to be in different location and the platter to be closer to front of the TT.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Stitch


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Modern Seiki
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 guy sergeant wrote:
I saw this turntable while over at the show in Munich. It is called Air Force 1. Allegedly there are Micro Seiki people behind it. There might be some truth in that.

A Micro for the 21st Century?


The Designer of that Turntable is Mr. Hideaki Nishikawa who made the Seiki Turntables.
The Turntable also shows former Seiki features like the heavy Platter and Vacuum System.






Kind Regards
Stitch
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Romy the Cat


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Who were the Micro Designers?
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 Stitch wrote:
The Designer of that Turntable is Mr. Hideaki Nishikawa who made the Seiki Turntables.
The Turntable also shows former Seiki features like the heavy Platter and Vacuum System.

Hm, Stitch. I do not know the history of the company too well but when I visited Micro in 2000, if I am not mistaken, than the guy who I met told me that he is the owner of the Micro and he was the main designer of Micro turntables. He did show me his patents with his name, in fact he made me copies of his patents. He name was long and Japanese; I cannot look it now as I am far from home. His short name was Cho-san.

I presume that nowadays anybody can claim Micro dependency and it is very possible that the guy who does the TT now was the Micro designer as well. It would be nice to know the reality of the Micro designers.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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The Occidental Tourist
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It looks OK; but is it likely that anyone could repeat success with something so obviously complicated?  It might even be said that consumers "at this level" demand the wrong things.


Paul S
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Stitch


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Who were the Micro Designers MkII ?
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
 Stitch wrote:
The Designer of that Turntable is Mr. Hideaki Nishikawa who made the Seiki Turntables.
The Turntable also shows former Seiki features like the heavy Platter and Vacuum System.

Hm, Stitch. I do not know the history of the company too well but when I visited Micro in 2000, if I am not mistaken, than the guy who I met told me that he is the owner of the Micro and he was the main designer of Micro turntables. He did show me his patents with his name, in fact he made me copies of his patents. He name was long and Japanese; I cannot look it now as I am far from home. His short name was Cho-san.

I presume that nowadays anybody can claim Micro dependency and it is very possible that the guy who does the TT now was the Micro designer as well. It would be nice to know the reality of the Micro designers.

The Cat


Probably you are right. I got the info above from the official Press release from the High End 2012 in Munich. All I did, was the translation from German Language to English.
Maybe they cheat the people with wrong information or they use the Seiki Brand for their own marketing...


Kind Regards
Stitch
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Serge


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I was told Air Force One is designed by original MicroSeiki designer and owner
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Well, an informed source (a Japanese journalist) told me that the TT is designed by orignail MicroSeiki owner. My guess is that Stella Inc, which is a distribution company, financed production.
A little video is here h

ttp://hifiblog.livejournal.com/39747.html




http://hifiblog.livejournal.com/
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Air Force One on the way
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...to Mr. Fremer for Review...
(I guess it will become his new Reference, it is expensive enough, Continuum is more or less down, and he has a long time relationship with Bob Graham, the Importer)
But maybe it is all rumor     :-)

Here is the table with Mr. Nishikawa

AirForceOne - Nishikawa.jpg



Arms.jpg



Kind Regards
Stitch
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Romy the Cat


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How to damp a turntable's propulsion.
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TT_Lickable_Propulsion.jpg




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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Sudden revulsion.
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I had a strange effect a few days back. I spoke with an audio friend of my who own a few very top performing turntables. He recently has seen the alleged new production of Micron Seiki - the Air Force One turntable and he very much liked it. I asked him if he will be coming with 80K for this TT, he replied “Why not.”

I felt very strange about his attitude as he has absolutely no justification why this new TT shall be better or worse than a number of other TTs he has. He even admitted that it is very unlikely that the new Air Force One will be able to over perform his other TTs (wish are unique and very good). Still, he is willing to get this new TT just because it is sexy and prestigious new toy. This was actually what he admitted.

I need to tell you that as soon he said it I felt a sudden acute lack of interest to talk with him about audio. I did not ask him what record you played lately and what in sound he did not like. I just felt that our perception of audio and our relationship with audio degenerated to them level that I do not even want to engage the people on the subject.

What kind sense of actions audio people have when they buy audio just because they want to add it to own collection of pointless glitter?

The caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Addition of pointless glitter
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

What kind sense of actions audio people have when they buy audio just because they want to add it to own collection of pointless glitter?

The caT

1. No real world sorrows
2. Next toy from the Adult Toy Store
3. Satisfaction for the Ego for whatever reasons
In a way you find all answers in your Article of "Foolishness of analog People" ....
The big Seikis were never common in USA, you and a few others know the old ones and what they can do. The AFO is such a unit made in 2012.In a way it is the first real serious Design Solution I saw in the last 10 years. When someone sees it now the first time and he is not stupid, he will detect sooner or later, that there is something serious done. I can't say how good it performs in reality, because the old 8000II with the Vacuum is inferior to a - additional - dampened Platter 8000. But I can imagine they solved it with a new dampened Platter. Would be logical, that was the only weak point of the 8000II.
I listened multiple times to Continuum Player and imo, there is a lot of brain inside. Unfortunately it is like a race car which needs care and service. I had a few Situations when the Continuum got defect. They need replacement parts what someone in Australia told me. Anyway, they sold more units than I thought. There is a market for expensive Turntables. When they are good sounding AND reliable, well ...

Or let's go to the real world, there are endless high powered cars outside. 99,5% of their owners aren't able to handle them. Even in Germany the majority pushes the pedal only a few times when the highway is empty and straight on. And no one cares, some book driving lessons, but the majority enjoys the simple ownership. That's the way it is ...


Kind Regards
Stitch
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ArmAlex
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Cars vs. audio
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Stitch wrote: Or let's go to the real world, there are endless high powered cars outside. 99,5% of their owners aren't able to handle them. Yes you are right, the problem is almost nowhere has been left to use a performance car even if you have the ability, 99.95% of the road are restricted. But in audio you can squeeze every drop of equipment's ability. Best regards Armen




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