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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Listening Pipe Organ Music
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I knew that Bruckner will fuck up my mind, but I am grateful for that…

Lately I tuned my attention to organ music, in fact I’m listening a lot of organ music.  It might appear that my playback got to the point where it might do a full justice to organ music but it is a bit too simplistic view. Yes, I can play organ music with amassing tonal and scale impressively, in fact I humbly admit that never seen audio playing organ music so interesting. There is another side of it however. This side is that lately, in great part because Bruckner, I learned how to listen organ music and how to find colossal pleasure in very minute fluctuation of harmonies and in very infinitesimal dynamic shadows…

Pipe Organ music is always live and mostly not mixed. The nature of organ is the thousands pipes emit sound and sound is naturally mixed in acoustic space, crating with zillion natural intermediations a new tonal consciousness. A good sounding organ in good hands creates amassing firework of colors. They are not Rimsky-Korsakov type of colors; they are much better as they are not contrived or pulled out of ass.  I completely hypnotized by organ music.

I tend do not like American organs, even though they are the biggest in the word. Also, the American organs do not play soft. I love German and French organs – they are more complex and less showy. They have quality within themselves and I can spend a good hour to listen the space of old European cathedrals aroused by organ’s notes…  I am listening now a stunning CD by Professor Josef Werndl playing German Passau Cathedral organ. it is large, has over 17.000 pipes and it has such fantastic range of colors. The  CD is “Konzert auf der groessten Kirchenorgel der Welt”, feel free to try it…

There are many sourses for great organ music. This one is great:

http://www.aeolus-music.com/ae_en/Organ-music

There are many other.

It is VERY difficult to play pipe organ by audio. It is very much not about bass but about of quality of everything. I think now I can by a few accords on the recordings I know can make instantaneous judgment about a music capacity of playback.

The caT


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ArmAlex
Iran
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Post ID: 16344
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Impossiblity of organ
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When I thoghut my system is aducated enough, I bought a Organ CD (Organ Treasures from Opus3). I was so dissapointed. My system is able to fool
me somehow to listen to almost every type of music but Organ is impossible, it is the least convincing.
Regards,
Armen
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guy sergeant
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Post ID: 16348
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Scale
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Look at the scale & range of what you are trying to reproduce.  It's also very difficult to record it.
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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No problems with scale & range here.
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 guy sergeant wrote:
Look at the scale & range of what you are trying to reproduce.  It's also very difficult to record it.
I have no problem with neither scale nor range, in fact it is even entertaining to see that none of the recordings that I have can stress my playback in scale or range. Still the most impressive in organ music is not the scale & range but very minute satellites, the shadows of the overtones diluted in those large acoustic spaces. Yes, when those acoustic spaces turn to the avalanche of sound it also interesting but the key in here is not “what” but “how”.


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rowuk


Germany
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Thousands of musical instruments
What makes the organ so special is truly not the what, rather the how. Each pipe is not just tuned to the correct pitch, it is also "voiced" to contribute the proper color for the particular register and room that it belongs to. Some registers are limited in range to only a few octaves, others span almost the whole audible range. I have a lot of respect for the fine "organ tuners" that crawl into an organ for days to bring the stops to life and balance. If there is synergy between the organist and the tuner, real magic can happen. The master builds the organ for the specific space size and acoustics.
I do not have a favorite organ, but the three Silbermann organs in the city of Freiberg (2 in the Dom and one in the Jakobskirche) are very special. Unfortunately idiots reduced the size of the main space in the Jakobskirche. The room is now too small and too reflective for the organ. Some registers are no longer brilliant, it sounds more like they are screaming... Certainly worth a visit however when one is in Germany.
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Die-beiden-Silbermann-Orgel-im-Dom-zu-Freiberg/hnum/8602099?iampartner=spon1&awc=201&awa=1215&kw=null&pos=1t1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxqO6zfjz1wIVRecbCh1tUQCoEAAYASAAEgISkvD_BwE


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