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Dominik
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RIP Henryk Mikolaj Górecki
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brotY-aMCBE
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Gorecki and Symphony No.3
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I heard he briefly mentioned somewhere the Symphony No.3 could be not just for sorrows that Jews well faced in death camps... but it is for all of our sorrows .

I never liked his personal views
and never liked jews
 but we just humans ...

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el`Ol
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Suffering
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Strange that in suffering there is still ambition:
We Jews are the ones the word genocide was invented for.
We Polish are the christ omong the people.
I believe that what the Buddhist say is correct: overcoming suffering makes one a better person.
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Romy the Cat


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The Symphony of Sorrowful Songs?
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I do not like the Jews who feel that word genocide was invented for them. In fact most of the Jews do not feel this way but there is huge machinery that makes huge money by selling the Jewish genocide – he need it as a propulsion of their entire enterprise…

I am not familiar with Górecki a lot and do not know his views. I heard his Symphony of Sorrowful Songs – a magnificent work. I do not know if I like the symphonic program of Jews faced death in the camps. Sure, he went to this music through his camps experience and it is perfectly respected but I would like to confine myself juts behind the relatively harrow minded Jewish genocideness. BTW, does anybody can advise a good performance of the Symphony of Sorrowful Songs?

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"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Warsaw Philarmonica. and Kozlowska doing the soprano
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 Romy the Cat wrote:


BTW, does anybody can advise a good performance of the Symphony of Sorrowful Songs?

The Cat


http://www.amazon.co.uk/G%C3%B3recki-Symphony-No-3-Joanna-Koslowska/dp/B00004Z32Y

If you find a good record of it ...

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el`Ol
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Unholy war
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
I do not like the Jews who feel that word genocide was invented for them. In fact most of the Jews do not feel this way but there is huge machinery that makes huge money by selling the Jewish genocide – he need it as a propulsion of their entire enterprise…


My post mainly refered to this story:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/auschwitz-unholy-war-1186264.html
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Romy the Cat


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What it all has to do with Gorecki?
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Yep, but Gorecki has to do with it. Unicon implied that Symphony No.3 has the “sorrows that Jews well faced in death camps” but reading about the 3rg Symphony I see no mentioning of the death camps in the program:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._3_(G%C3%B3recki)

so, I do not think the “issue” form from Gorecki but rather from all of those Morons, would they be Jews or not, who try to get publicity of a good work of art to serve their private agendas.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Dominik
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Gorecki Symphony No.3
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Symphony No.3 has nothing with the death camps, middle part refer to II war. It say about sorrow of a single man in Polish mouintans.
This opinion about death camps in Gorecki Symphony No.3 comes from Staalhoj and Palmer movies where is play No.3 and in the same time show fucking Neonazi skinheads.


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My full sentence implies it
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

Symphony No.3 has the “sorrows that Jews well faced in death camps” but reading about the 3rg Symphony I see no mentioning of the death camps in the program:

The Cat

Reading my prev post you can see its not just for sorrows that jews faced well in death camps.

If I am right the second part of the symphony is about something that happened in ww2 and in jews death camp when they try to seperate a mother from her daughter ...

 Romy the Cat wrote:

so, I do not think the “issue” form from Gorecki but rather from all of those Morons, would they be Jews or not, who try to get publicity of a good work of art to serve their private agendas.

The Cat


Thats what I pretty much agree with it .
Gorecki did not label his great work to what happened to jews but I can be pretty sure to see how jews tried to loot it .

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Romy the Cat


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I still do not see anything wrong with it.
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 unicon wrote:
If I am right the second part of the symphony is about something that happened in ww2 and in jews death camp when they try to seperate a mother from her daughter ...

Yes, a few years back I heard something similar to this, like Gorecki used text in these lyrics taken after a separated from her mother girl in death camp. I do not know if it thru or not but the article above said nothing about it. That is also not terribly important in my view. 

I very much might see how some Jews who convert own heritage into business would like to jewify the Gorecki Third Symphony. I can only see it as a good for the Gorecki’s symphony if this work inspired even those people. Why do you shall be worrying? If I tell you that the work is about my grandma was dyeing lonely from old age and dementia  then you would not be concerned. If I say that Richard Strauss’ Ein Heldenleben was about me or about you then you would not be concerned. But here you got nervous that some Jews feel that Gorecki’s symphony feels for them goes along with the whole death camp thyme.  I truly do not feel anything bad with it.

Different people and different nationals groups have deferent associations with sorrow, happiness, desperation, etc…. It happens that for some Jews feeling sorrow and sadness associated with death camps, would you blame them for that. I am sure that Native Americans in US would have own associations. This is the whole point of great music - it explores the hidden corners of human soil and gives a lot of room to everyone to continuation of creative interpretation.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Dominik
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Bingo!
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 Romy the Cat wrote:


Different people and different nationals groups have deferent associations with sorrow, happiness, desperation, etc…. It happens that for some Jews feeling sorrow and sadness associated with death camps, would you blame them for that. I am sure that Native Americans in US would have own associations. This is the whole point of great music - it explores the hidden corners of human soil and gives a lot of room to everyone to continuation of creative interpretation.

The Cat




This is what I want to say if not my bad english...


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