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Posted by Romy the Cat on 02-04-2026
One of the most brilliant examples of a psychologically engineered music is the celebrated by Russians Slavic Farewell by Agapkin. Nowadays it has various political unfortunate connotations, but I would like to void all it and to stay purely in musical merit. I know that it is considered a super cool military march in minor key (good lich to find more!) but I hear a fugue. That was a tip. Now is the question:

What connects those 3 works:

Agapkin’s Slavic Farewell
Sibelius’ Finlandia     
Bach’s Ricercar a 6

Posted by steverino on 04-20-2026
Notes

Posted by alex on 04-21-2026
All three are used by Tarkovski in Solars ? 

Posted by steverino on 04-21-2026
From the fount of all knowledge - accuracy not guaranteed
The soundtrack of Solaris features Johann Sebastian Bach's chorale prelude for organ Ich ruf' zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 639, played by Leonid Roizman [ru], and an electronic score by Eduard Artemyev. The prelude is the central musical theme. Tarkovsky initially wanted the film to be devoid of music and asked Artemyev to orchestrate ambient sounds as the score; the latter proposed subtly introducing orchestral music. The classical music used for Earth's theme stands in counterpoint to the fluid electronic music used as the theme for the planet Solaris. The character Hari has her own subtheme, a cantus firmus based on Bach's music featuring Artemyev's music atop it; it is heard at Hari's death and at the story's end. 
Logically speaking works aren't connected by something or someone other than the works themselves. I think Romy will have to clear up this mini mystery. 

Posted by alex on 04-21-2026
Maybe in Zerkalo (The mirror), not sure....

Posted by steverino on 04-21-2026
of your suggestions. but I think Romy is saying that there is some musical interconnection between these 3 works. He said a "fugue was a hint" which is both obvious and puzzling as the Bach Ricercar is of course a fugue. I don't think there is a fugue in the other two works. I took a look at the Russian March and did not see any fugue like passage. Simple imitation is not a fugue. 

Posted by alex on 04-21-2026
Otherwise I have no clue what could be common between Fugue, Tone Poem and Military March. The only other fact, unrelated to Bach and Dvorak comes to mind, in Soviet time the "spacial" overnight train Kharkiv-Moscow (yes, that Kharkiv that now bombed daily by Moscow) was leaving platform with PA system played Agapkin’s Slavic Farewell.

Posted by steverino on 04-21-2026
I suppose there is a tenuous connection between Finlandia and the Agapkin March in that both are nationalist in compositional intent. This leaves the Ricercar which was commissioned by the King of Prussia.

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