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Posted by Romy the Cat on 01-20-2025

Posted by PeterA on 01-20-2025
I agree that an amplifier can indeed change one's perception of the music. As I have lived with the ML2 for three years, I think about the music differently. It is difficult to explain. I feel like I am closer to what the performer is doing and the experience makes more of an impact on my emotions. It is a deeper involvement. Perhaps even more insight into the composer's brain.

Posted by Romy the Cat on 01-20-2025

This is very loaded respond because there are a few layers in it. 


Layer number one, you had an opportunity to be exposed to ML2 which certainly has impact to a listening perception. It is not the only one which has this capacity but there is insultingly low number of similar amplifiers and most other people never hurd this capacity. I can tell you more, even many ml2 owners did not get it and pass it as they pass from any other amplifier of the year. Even the majority of so-called audio reviewers who were writing 25 years ago glorious bullshit about ML2 had no idea what they are dealing with. There are multiple explanations for it.


The layer number two is that it is not completely known what in whatever ml2 (or similar apps) does is responsible for formatting of a listening perception. Is that typical order simpletons want a simple explanation and they feel that ml2 produce better sounds. I very much do not subscribe this believe.


In fact, my experiment with ampX concept suggests that the actually auditable sounfs might not have necessary direct correlation with the force we experience in our listening room. 


And there is layer number three, that is more but I will stop on the 3rd. A contributions that amplifier bring to Total experience of an installation I would estimate no more than 25% of success. Another 25% come from acoustic system. The rest, is in very intricate interaction, at the DPoLP level, between a given efforts of entire installation and The listening room. It is not the sounds are being better presented by the efforts of room treatment or room dimension. It is rather that the efforts of entire playback chain along with the listening room are able to create a new Force, I call it X-Force, that super dramatically catalyzed listening sensories, an interpretive awareness of a listener. 


The last aspect is one of the reasons, why I completely decouple efforts of playback from anything which took place before. That what my video above was all about.


Posted by Romy the Cat on 01-21-2025
 Real World Audio wrote:

Actually, as the human ear is non-linear, then linearity matching for either amp or speaker is irrelevant to how the brain interprets it. Clearly, we need a different approach to understanding information-storage and transmission that has high relevance to the human hearing and human brain processed, and less fixed onto computational paradigms that have relevance to little more than ensuring manufacturing tolerances. As we are barely understanding the basis on how human brain processes sound, the "right" way to record and play back music for human consumption is still in its infancy. In my experience, overly sticking to lowest analyzed distortion figures results in a representation that focuses our attention more on the defects produced in the recording and playback process, and does not let our imagination run wild with the music. Natural music ignites creativity. What I consider good playback does the same. Bad live events suppress creativity (even when they sound "perfect"), and absolute sound playbacks also act as creativity suppression mechanisms. Even for material that was recorded in a way that would normally allow vivid spurts of creativity, become hallow and brittle - with more details for sure, like 1 to10 upscaled size plastic food. Looks huge and super-detailed, even the half-blind can see it clearly - but you can't eat it. I think Romy does not have an issue with the detail level, he has issue with whether the reproduction is edible or inert. I agree with Romy, absolute sound tends to equal lack of music. It is the celebration of technology, not the celebration of life and art.

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Posted by Romy the Cat on 01-21-2025
 Romy the Cat wrote:
 Real World Audio wrote:

Actually, as the human ear is non-linear, then linearity matching for either amp or speaker is irrelevant to how the brain interprets it. Clearly, we need a different approach to understanding information-storage and transmission that has high relevance to the human hearing and human brain processed, and less fixed onto computational paradigms that have relevance to little more than ensuring manufacturing tolerances. As we are barely understanding the basis on how human brain processes sound, the "right" way to record and play back music for human consumption is still in its infancy. In my experience, overly sticking to lowest analyzed distortion figures results in a representation that focuses our attention more on the defects produced in the recording and playback process, and does not let our imagination run wild with the music. Natural music ignites creativity. What I consider good playback does the same. Bad live events suppress creativity (even when they sound "perfect"), and absolute sound playbacks also act as creativity suppression mechanisms. Even for material that was recorded in a way that would normally allow vivid spurts of creativity, become hallow and brittle - with more details for sure, like 1 to10 upscaled size plastic food. Looks huge and super-detailed, even the half-blind can see it clearly - but you can't eat it. I think Romy does not have an issue with the detail level, he has issue with whether the reproduction is edible or inert. I agree with Romy, absolute sound tends to equal lack of music. It is the celebration of technology, not the celebration of life and art.

Courtesy to https://www.youtube.com/@realworldaudio

Thank you very much for your reply. I am stealing from you your quote that natural music ignites creativity. I never formulated in this way and I always advocated that natural music ignite recomposition. Or natural music create artistic endeavors in other form in art. You put it in much more genetic and perfect way: creativity. I think the key here i where I am comfortable is the adjective natural. Certainly the result very produced with our playbacks are not natural music, but a reproduce surrogate. And we generally in audio, are trying, irrelevantly foolishly in my view, to make reproduce music to sound like live music. I feel it is a gross fellowship, fallacy in the efforts and the fallacy in objectives. Playback system should not produce the sounds that match the sounds of the original music. This is where I greatly deviate from majority of audio practitioners. I feel that playback supposed to produce "something" that should impact a listener in a listening room, witch will ignite creativity in the listener. The protocol of interaction between orchestra and the stage and listener and a person in a listening room in my view are different. The simplistic imitation of a sounds by playback is not correct because playback has its own expressive mechanisms. I do not presume that I know them, I might accidentally stumble upon of some of them which work better on worse but we still have no unified theory of audio reproduction. Ironically, the more accepted by high-end industry, the more celebrated names, as the most self pompes fools produce more important audio equipment. 

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